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I'm not a milsurp guy but this tiny 91/24 is a keeper and might convert me! Thought I'd share this as I hadn't seen any in here. Sure would rather have carried this than a big mauser or Enfield but they must have really heated up fast.
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Here are my Italian beauties, would you believe it all started with the Vetterli-Vitali on top ? I truly admire the construction of the carcano: simple, robust, elegant, and quite handy.

Here is my collection thus far:

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From top to bottom:
  • A 1874 dated Vetterli-Vitali in 6.5 carcano
  • a 1903 dated M1891 carcano
  • A 1936 dated M1891 Moschetto carbine
  • A 1940 dated M91/38 carbine in 6.5 carcano
  • A 1941 dated M91/41 carcano

Not pictured, I have one 1915 dated AOI marked Austrian stutzen as well as a 1904 dated Austrian M95 that was captured during WW1 and re-issued to Italian troops. I did not realize how extensive my Italian collection was until I factored in the M95s, do I have an addiction ?

I will be taking all of the ladies, including the Vetterli-Vitali, to the range very soon to see how they shoot. I am especially interested in seeing how the gain twist rifling compares to the constant rate of the later models.

OP, have you shot your 91/24 ? I heard the Italians cut down the barrel of the M91s which would have likely resulted in accuracy being affected given the gain twist and original 31" barrel. I have not read of any current reports of the accuracy being truly impaired so I am very curious to see this today. Also, what is the date and maker on the barrel, I am interested in seeing who made her and what year she was made.
 
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Yep that is a 1917 dated rifle, are there any other dates on the metal or wood to indicate the date of conversion to her present carbine configuration ?
 
Nice Carcano op! You'll have fun with it for sure. Nice low recoil round that's pleasant to shoot and if you load with the proper dia bullets they can be quite accurate.

Great collection Nabs! I didn't know you had so many Carcano's!
 
I'm not a milsurp guy but this tiny 91/24 is a keeper and might convert me! Thought I'd share this as I hadn't seen any in here. Sorry about the focus. Sure would rather have carried this than a big mauser or Enfield but they must have really heated up fast.
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Ha! I have your 91/24's twin sister here, lol! I can't get over how tiny it is, more like a toy than a weapon.


 
Great collection Nabs! I didn't know you had so many Carcano's!

It is funny that I originally did not think much of the carcano nor did I think I would start a mini collection of them a few months ago but I guess that is how collections go over time ? I can't wait to get these fine ladies out to the range in the spring :).
 
It is funny that I originally did not think much of the carcano nor did I think I would start a mini collection of them a few months ago but I guess that is how collections go over time ? I can't wait to get these fine ladies out to the range in the spring :).
I think it was BL-C2 and the .268 dia 160 gr bullets that gave me 1 1/2" groups at 100yds out of my Carcano I used to own. I'll have to go check my loading notes. Recoil was pretty much non existent and it was really fun to shoot.
 
I remember my experience shooting hand loads from my Norwegian krag in 6.5 Swedish and there was virtually no recoil. I can imagine that 6.5x52 would be even more pleasant.
 
Beautiful Carcano's here. While it's not my favourite rifle I'm happy with my M91/41. Unfortunately a previous owner defaced the underside of the buttplate with his name.
 
All Carcanos EXCEPT the Model 41 used the gain-twist rifling. Model 41 was constant-twist.

Rifling DOUBLED its rate of spin during the trip down the barrel.

If you have a chopped barrel, try experimenting with 100- or 120-grain 6.5mm bullets and see what happens. The Slower twist suits a lighter bullet.

Hope this helps.
 
All Carcanos EXCEPT the Model 41 used the gain-twist rifling. Model 41 was constant-twist.

You are right, I can confirm that my 1936 Moschetto does have gain twist. It strikes me as rather interesting given the barrel is only 17" long compared to the 31" barrel of the M1891. It must have been quite an effort to make the rifling for these, certainly no task for an apprentice.
 
There were some relatively unknown Carcano rifles issued as well. Japan bought a version they called the Type ONE. The big difference in the Japanese rifle and the Italian rifle was the stock, which had the regular two piece butt and the mag well, which was identical to the Japanese Type 38 mag, with drop out floor plate/follower and spring. There is one other difference. The Type ONE bolt has the ejector cut dead center rather than offset to the left. I know this because I recently fitted a bolt to a Type ONE. Those bolts are hard to say the least. Carbide cutters wouldn't touch it. I ended up grinding it out with special wheels. The bolts must be machined then hardened after. Makes sense when you think about it.

The other Carcano I have was made by Steyr for Germany or maybe even their own use. It is chambered in 7.92x57. It is a very short carbine with an 18 inch, pencil thin barrel. It also requires a special clip to hold the cartridges that is very similar to the Mod 88 clips, but the lips are shorter. No big deal, they just need to be cut back to fit.

Ok, the Jap Type ONE is a dream to shoot. It is reliable as far as feeding and ejecting go and it is very accurate in the right hands with a shooter with good eyes. Word has it that the Japanese navy issued the contract for 50,000 long rifles and 15,000 carbines. Don't hold me to those numbers.

It turns out the Japanese had some issues with the bolt handles breaking off and many of the rifles ended up in warehouses, never issued, only to be liberated by occupation troops later. There are stories about empty rifle crates floating all over Tokyo and other harbors as the rifles were gathered by the occupying troops as war trophies. I've seen a couple of other Type One rifles other than mine. Both of them were in stocks without finish. They were sanded and ready to be finished but none was applied. Word is, to save money, the Japanese ordered them that way to apply the finish in Japan later. Also, there are no Japanese marks or stamps of any sort on the rifles.

Mine is issued and has some very slight throat wear. Not enough to effect performance.

I am and old man and computer challenged. I've never been able to get the photo places to work. To bad we can't copy and paste photos.
 
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That is certainly one rifle I have been looking to try, a type I, but I have not seen one for sale in some time. Rumour also has it the rifles were quite tall and difficult to handle for the shorter Japanese troops but I have not found evidence to back this up. There was a good PDF online that showed different butt lengths on type I stocks so perhaps there may be truth to the matter ?
 
That is a very nice 91/24 ! What is the overall length ? I wonder how she compares to my Moschetto carbine ?

Well the rifle here is not a 91/24 but a Model 1891/28 Truppe Speciali ( Special Troops) or a Model 1891 T.S. that has passed to the arsenal of Gardone in the 1941. I need the markings on the receiver to identifie better the origin and the model.

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This is my small family of Carcano Rifles. Well I live in Italy but some models or makers are extremely rare also here.

Carcano Fucile M1891 made in Rome in 1918



Fucile M 1891/41 made in Terni in 1942



Fucile M1891/41 made by Armaguerra Cremona in 1942



Fucile Corto M1891/38 caliber 6,5mm Carcano made in Terni year 1941



Moschetto M1891/38 caliber 6,5mm, Gardone Val Trompia made



Moschetto Model 91/24 ex Mida Model 1891 converted in 1925 by Terni Arsenal



Moschetto Truppe Speciali Model 1938 caliber 7,35mm Carcano one of the 9/10.000 made in Gardone



regards
 
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