Caribou limit goes to NAFTA

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Caribou limit goes to NAFTA
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By BOB WEBER The Canadian Press
Mon. Mar 29 - 4:53 AM

An American hunting outfitter is trying to use the North American Free Trade Agreement to fight what he considers misguided northern wildlife management.

A move by the Northwest Territories to revoke caribou tags for non-resident hunters is effectively the same as shutting down his business, says John Andre, who operates two hunting camps in the territory from his headquarters in Montana.

His allotment of caribou tags would go from 420 a year at its peak to zero under a proposal before a northern regulatory board.

"They confiscated my business," he says. "My intent is to be compensated."

His notice of intent, recently filed with the federal deputy attorney general, seeks compensation of more than $8 million. But what Andre really wants is for Ottawa to review the territory’s belief that caribou herds are shrinking.

Andre depends on an annual allotment of caribou tags to serve big-game hunters. But the yearly tags to non-aboriginal hunters have been gradually scaled back as the Northwest Territories tries to relieve pressure on its once-mighty herds.

Biologists say nine of Canada’s 11 caribou herds are in decline. The Bathurst herd of the central barrens, they say, dropped from 120,000 animals in 2006 to 32,000 three years later. The Beverly herd to the east — 280,000 strong 15 years ago — has virtually disappeared.

Caribou herds have always fluctuated, but biologists suspect a combination of climate change, industrial development and hunting may be preventing them from bouncing back.
 
He can set up some hunts for game in the US until our caribou herd recovers. It's no different than foreign ownership of mines and paper mills. Once the resource runs out so do the foreign owners, except this guy wants to be compensated also.

regards, Darryl
 
He had three licenses, the last couple of years he only received 225, 75 per license.

We've just finished a week of hearings on this farce only to have it adjourned. Originally the natives wouldn't talk with the gov't so a ban on hunting was imposed. Now they want to talk!! ......But they don't want to stop taking 7-11,000 animals, mostly cows (the fetus' are considered a delicacy!! For more exciting reading, try www.wrrb.ca or caribouforever.com

I've been involved with the barrenlands and caribou for 45 years, and the bottom line is that there still are about 300,000 animals available. With the gov't, it's a case of one small herd maybe declining!!
 
There's no Fing way an american guide company should get 225 tags for big game in Canada. Canada is too nice.. See if instead he can just get those tags in Russia or some other place with big game and a set of balls.
 
maybe the guide should be made to pay some sort of fee to help stabilize the herds that he made money from all these years .

kind of like forest companies in canada , when they are done logging in a area , they need to clean the area up and replant it with tree's at their expense .

or when a mining company is done mining , it must restore the area to what it was like previous to when the mine started , at the mines expense .


back pay on fee's for 420 tags a year for all the years he has been guiding there ..... i'd say that would need to be worth 15 or 20 million dollars ..... so he would owe canada 7 to 12 million dollars and preferably in real gold , not that unstable green coloured paper they use down south there .... :D :D :D
 
The fact that he got 420 tags in his peak years and even 225 last year is beyond insane. That's just criminal, how the hell does that even happen for non-resident hunters?!

Jesus!

Tell him: sure, but you owe us $10k per license issued.

-M
 
i would have my doubts about that, i know a few outfitters out of NWT and Yukon who said the herds have been doing pretty good, but i want to know is why another source for declining herd size isn't looked at. Snow geese have been over populated for over a decade, and there have been several scientific research papers done by a couple universities showing this is causing huge reductions of available forage in all of the Arctic. And as i am sure both geese and caribou eat similar things would these large geese populations not have a huge impact on herd size?
 
Geese don't come near the caribou, at all. i don't know where you get that from,
and other sources are being looked at, climate change, predators, disease, over hunting,
It is all affecting the caribou, and taking away outfitters tags is one way to reduce the sources,

the GNWT has the right idea going, they just aren't going about it the right way, they need to grow a set of ball and stand up to the aboriginals, Having 2 sets of rules is stupid. they should be treated like the rest of us.
 
It is a sad fact that a United states citizen can run a buisness in Canada. How the hell does that even happen? These are Canadian resourses, that should be just that Canadian resourses. Outfitters in Canada should be Canadian owned /operated period. I have no issues with outfitters selling tags/lisences to american hunters. That is strictly revenue generation ,that in small/remote communities is essential for their existance. As far as compensating him. I think they should compensate his yankee ass with a boot back across the border. :kickInTheNuts:
 
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