Cartridge selection for long distance

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I'll shoot from 100yrds to 1,000yrds and hunt small to large game. I've been checking a few cartridge possibilities but would like your thoughts and experience on them:
Remington-Premier® AccuTip™ or Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded
Federal Nosler Ballistic Tip
Winchester XP3, Supreme® Ballistic Silvertip

Accuracy is important for me as well as the least damage possible.

Small note: If I could I'd drop in a store and get a box of each to test would be the best thing, but that's not possible where I live and ammo comes in here once a year, which is also one of the reasons I am not hand loading for now anyways.
 
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Your going to get all kinds of opinions on this, Everyone is going to ask what you plan to shoot more, paper or animals? If animals which ones the most and that 1000yrds is a pretty far shot on a big game animal (something other then a pest, like them wovles and yotes). Another thing you must consider to be absolutely accurate and have optimal performance on game would be in my opinion to reload using premium bullets, I like nosler partitions.

More will chime in soon im sure.

Ben
 
Reloading is the answer to all your needs.
That way you can tailor the ammo to the need.
My experience with Nosler Ballistic tips is that they are accurate but can be VERY destructive on a poorly landed shot.
I have never been impressed with Remington ammo as for the most part their brass is very irratic in wieght and quality.
I believe that the Ballistic Silver tip is nothing more than a moly coated Btip, to date no-one has been able to tell me what health concerns ingetsing moly has from game shot with moly coated bullets.
I realize that reloading gear costs money, but it will pay for it self many times over in the long haul. Accuracy is greatly improved by making your own ammo that "your" rifle works best with.
KK
 
KK

Your the second person to tell me the same thing about the rem ammo and the other one was my gun smith. As for health concerns regarding moly, that's the first I hear of this issue "interesting food for thought". As for any kind of ballistic tip, I know they are all for thin skin animals which I have used and once it did good damage. So far from what I've found to be good on paper for long range hunting of large game was the:
-Interbond Light mag
-Nosler Accubond
-Accubond CT
-XP 3
-Scirocco "in last place"
Now I'm waiting to get a bit more info on a couple of them on the "BC and wind drift"

Now I know hand loads are the way to go, but it's not possible for me right now.
 
what caliber you shooting?

Accubonds are great bullets, but once velocity starts to dip below 2000 fps impact, the Ballistic Tip is better for expansion. Ballistic tips arent as good when impacting faster than 2600 fps, they come apart a bit and dont penetrate that much
 
todbartell said:
what caliber you shooting?

Accubonds are great bullets, but once velocity starts to dip below 2000 fps impact, the Ballistic Tip is better for expansion. Ballistic tips arent as good when impacting faster than 2600 fps, they come apart a bit and dont penetrate that much
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30-06
Okay lets see if I understand this right. If the speed is greater than 2,000 fps it's better to use a kind of Accubond cause it will penetrate before mushrooming. If the speed is slower than that, then the Ballistic tips would have a chance to penetrate before doing it's job, but if faster it'll fall apart on impact. Interesting! This is an issue when I never know what distance I'm going to shoot at, so the velocity is never the same.
Now if I went with some kind of Accubond no matter the speed would it still do the job?
 
Accubond should expand down to 1700-1800 fps just fine, the Ballistic Tip should expand down to 1400-1500 fps

Accubonds are basically a bonded core Ballistic Tip so they retain more mass and penetrate deeper.

Tough to beat 165 grain for optimum long range ballistics for thin skin game in the 30-06. Federal loads 165 gr Ballistic Tips and Winchester loads 168 grain Ballistic Silvertips (moly coated Ballistic Tips). Nobody factory loads the 165 grain Accubond as of yet, I'd expect it next year in the 30-06 by Federal. Remington AccuTip is a Hornady SST I believe, which is very similar to the Ballistic Tip and should work just as well. Personally Ive found ballistic tips to shoot more accurate than the SST
 
knockknock said:
Reloading is the answer to all your needs.
That way you can tailor the ammo to the need.
My experience with Nosler Ballistic tips is that they are accurate but can be VERY destructive on a poorly landed shot.
I have never been impressed with Remington ammo as for the most part their brass is very irratic in wieght and quality.
I believe that the Ballistic Silver tip is nothing more than a moly coated Btip, to date no-one has been able to tell me what health concerns ingetsing moly has from game shot with moly coated bullets.
I realize that reloading gear costs money, but it will pay for it self many times over in the long haul. Accuracy is greatly improved by making your own ammo that "your" rifle works best with.
KK
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How about cast lead bullets!!?? cut the danged wound channel out and Bob's yer uncle.:slap:
cat
 
I have shot these bullets in my gun a 7mmwsm very accurate but have not used on any game as yet, Lost River they have 165gr with a BC of 636 quite high should retain good longrange energy and velocity,go to this site and you will see specs;
http://www.lostriverballistic.com/LRB/ItemDetails.cfm?CNum=52

Not cheep almost 48.00 for 20 US dollars, I think there is a Canadian Dist
Federal like Tod said do not offer a 165gr which is my favorite weight in the 06, but they do offer the accubond in 150gr and 180gr
Good Luck
 
1,000 yards is too far for any hunting shot with any ammo. Especially the .30-06. Your Remington-Premier AccuTip's in 165 grain, for example, only has 1281 ft-lbs of energy left at 500 yards and drops 46". A 180 grain bullet isn't much better. Any good 165 or 180 grain hunting bullet will do nicely at reasonable ranges, but 1,000 is ballistically too far.
"...I'd drop in a store..." There is mail order, but I'd hate to think what the shipping costs to the edge of the world would be.
 
sunray said:
1,000 yards is too far for any hunting shot with any ammo. Especially the .30-06. Your Remington-Premier AccuTip's in 165 grain, for example, only has 1281 ft-lbs of energy left at 500 yards and drops 46".
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Surprised it took someone this long to say something.. lol.. Haven't seen anyone hunt and shoot anything 500+yards out.. or even over 300 for that matter.. keeping in mind I'm by no means the most experienced person here.
 
i don't believe that shooting game beyond 500yds is being fair to the animal, as far as wounding is concerned. I would get some dif. bullets including cast and see how each perform, reload ammo, and stock up on what works. Can you not mailorder supplies? I don't want you to think I'm too negative but I believe the 30/06 will drop about 15 feet at 1000yds, not the kind of holdover that would inspire confidence in ones ability to hit, not to mention the effect of wind at that range.
 
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