Casenit or Case/surface hardening compounds in Canada?

[H Wally]

Wondering if anyone has found a supply for casenit or an equivalent surface hardening/carburizing compound in Canada? I am under the impression Brownells won't ship their product to Canada, but can't find information either way and so far they haven't responded to emails.

 

[dead meat]

I bought a can of it at a welding supply shop several years back, can't remember which shop though. It was in Saskatoon.

 

[Beater]

welding supply shop

 

[amosfella]

Can always use horse hoof clippings...

 

[PYK]

Wondering if anyone has found a supply for casenit or an equivalent surface hardening/carburizing compound in Canada? I am under the impression Brownells won't ship their product to Canada, but can't find information either way and so far they haven't responded to emails.

I used Casinite to harden slip jaws and other parts 20 yrs ago, then it became unavailable from the US. Contains potassium cynide andcould not be exported. If you find some it can be deadly, exhaust fan and ventilation is a must.

 

[TriggerTime]

Interesting thread about making your own
http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=64390

 

[dero338]

Chery red or something likw that from KBC
But I have not tried it so I dont know if its any good

 

[mooncoon]

I bought mine from Track of the Wolf and I think that Dixi also sells it. I think 1 lb ran around $13 or $14 but the shipping was almost as much. On the other hand it lasts quite a while

the Kasenite currently being sold is different from that which was available 20 or 30 years ago. The older product was a little darker in colour and it melted and bubbled fairly quickly. The new product still melts but leaves a bit of a crust on top while the interior is molten.

cheers mooncoon

 

[shatthatkilledelvis]

Cherry red hardening compound is basically the same - works well and it ships from Canada through Travers.

w w w.traverscanada.com

or google cherry red hardening...

 

[Ian Robertson]

The case hardener that Brownells sells reads the same as Cherry Red for about half the price, probably the same stuff, different label. Potassium nitrate and chromium oxide.

 

[H Wally]

Gotta love cgn - no matter what the question, there are people who know the answer! Thanks!

 

[mooncoon]

The case hardener that Brownells sells reads the same as Cherry Red for about half the price, probably the same stuff, different label. Potassium nitrate and chromium oxide.

I use Kasenite primarily for recasing frizzens and that requires adding carbon to the metal being treated. While Cherry Red would be fine for surfaces that only need to be hardened to reduce wear, I suspect that it would not be effective for recasing flintlock frizzens. (metal would be hard but probably not spark).

cheers mooncoon

 

[shatthatkilledelvis]

Just got a Travers flyer in the mail - 15% off Cherry Red. $31.00 for 1lb, $105 for a 5lb

for those interested...

 

[buckbrush]

there is another similar product called "hard n tuff"

 

[mooncoon]

There are at least two uses for case hardening compounds; one is to harden the surface to prevent or reduce wear and the other specific to flintlock guns is to add carbon to the surface of the frizzen as well as hardening the surface. If you are recasing a frizzen, it is important that the hardening compound contains carbon. The cyanide salts mentioned earlier contain carbon because the cyanide radical is carbon and nitrogen. The cherry red compound as described as containing potassium nitrate and chromium oxide and there is no carbon in either of those compounds.

cheers mooncoon