Then you probably just lack situational awareness...
You are at least 4 times more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in any province than you are in Idaho and I still choose to carry. Better safe than sorry.
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CC in Canada..what would you carry?
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Then you probably just lack situational awareness...
You are at least 4 times more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in any province than you are in Idaho and I still choose to carry. Better safe than sorry.
I've been living in WA, which is way quieter than say downtown East side Vancouver. Let's just say I feel naked when in Canada without my carry gun. It's not as much as having a gun. But it's knowing that you have what you need to defend yourself. The independence is awesome
sillymike
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Using that same logic, I really shouldn't bother having first aid kit at home and in the car... since I never really had a need for it? Heck, I should probably stop taking CPR refresher course every 3 years...
Fire extinguisher at home?... Who need those! Never used mine and if there's a need I call always call 911... right?
Agree. The issue is Americans have no idea how the rest of the Western countries live. Their normal is not the norm.
City of Chicago 2016 Stats
Shot and Killed 716
Shot and Wounded 3,663
Total Murdered 799
55 Days into 2017
Shot and killed 42
Shot and Wounded 144
Total Murdered 44
In 2016 one person was murdered in Chicago every 11 hours every day throughout the year. This week alone 10 have been shot and killed. Compare those numbers to Toronto or Vancouver. Both Canadian cities are similar in size.
The American experience is not the Canadian experience or anywhere else in the Western World. We get a steady feed of marketing from the self defense industry in the US and lots buy into it. The verbiage you will here from those who actively support arming of civilians here on this site is not different than what you hear in the US, fed and instilled by a very lucrative self defense industry in the US.
Actively suggesting more liberal laws allowing carry in the Wilderness where there is justification s not the same thing as crying out for concealed carry for virtually anyone who has an itch that needs to be scratched.
If and when one of our two mainstream political parties decide to co-sponsor a law to allow conceal carry in this country I would support but it would be a sad day because it would suggest Canadian society had devolved to the point where arming ourselves was necessary. I just don;t see it happening.
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Bob
ps Go here for more info on the wonders of living in Chicago http://heyjackass.com/category/2016-stats/
No-one knows what is around the next corner. No-one knows who is going to come in the door next: I spoke yesterday with a woman in a small town (pop. approx. 1000) in BC who was threatened with a knife while working at her laundromat. She's still reluctant to even leave her house now.
I know of a small town in the Kootenays whose liquor store was robbed at gunpoint.
I'm in retail. Yesterday my first customer was a drunk who was looking for a confrontation. I got him out the door, watched as he pushed and harrassed the owners of another local business, and called the cops. Unfortunately, they were unable to find him.
No-one knows what's going to happen next, and that is true no matter where you are.
I know of a small town in the Kootenays whose liquor store was robbed at gunpoint.
I'm in retail. Yesterday my first customer was a drunk who was looking for a confrontation. I got him out the door, watched as he pushed and harrassed the owners of another local business, and called the cops. Unfortunately, they were unable to find him.
No-one knows what's going to happen next, and that is true no matter where you are.
Kampfhamster
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It's not about what gun you carry, it's about what mindset and training you have.
The gun is merely a tool, and there are other tools out there that are actually legal.
It's the same problem over here in Switzerland, so I choose to carry a pepper spray and a LED-flashlight.
But if I could carry: it would be my Glock 42.
The gun is merely a tool, and there are other tools out there that are actually legal.
It's the same problem over here in Switzerland, so I choose to carry a pepper spray and a LED-flashlight.
But if I could carry: it would be my Glock 42.
Chicago is hardly the norm.
There are many places in the USA that are safer than Canada and we still carry here. I find it funny that someone from a hole such as Terrace would be talking about how unsafe the USA is.
I've lived in both countries, the propaganda saying Canada is so much safer is just that, propaganda. Check violent crime rates, you will be surprised that, aside from murder, Canada has a much higher violent crime rate.
Umm I'll assume you left your manners at home when you crossed the 49th. I moved up here to retire in one of the prettiest areas of BC. with a temperate climate. I have had the benefit and enjoyment of living in both large metropolitan areas of Canada as well as small having lived in three different Provinces and the NWT. I know a hole when I see one and Terrace is no hole. I do enjoy world class fishing, hinting and a shooting range whose membership fees are $75/year for two trap fields, a rifle range, a pistol/small bore range and five action pistol bays. It isn't near as bad as you suggest. The owner of Bass Pro Shops has a place down the road from Terrace on the Skeena river. Quite the place. I hear the NASCAR drivers that come up for fishing each year come to love the scenery. Must be some hole!
First Idaho's largest city has approx. 214,000 people about 1/6th the size of Metropolitan Edmonton. In fact the whole State has a population of less than 1.7 million which is about the quarter of the population of Alberta. Your adopted State is relatively small even compared to BC whose population is 4.6MM. Coming from such a small out of the way State such as yours does have some benefit. Few poeple bother to live there. Those that do enjoy the same trappings as any other rural area of North America. Without large urban centers to add to absolute numbers percentages and rates can get skewered. Too, much depends on how stats are accumulated and accounted for. What gets called a family dispute in one area goes down as a Domestic Assault in another.
I point that out because there are stats and there are stats. The US population is about 10 times that of Canada. Lets deal with people rather than rates and percentages. The US has 16,000 murders per year on average, of which approximately 11,000 involved firearms. In Canada we have approx. 572 per year and this has been a constant going back to 1961. Of those 30% or 170 involved firearms. While murder rates per 100,000 people runs aprox. 5 per 100K in the US vs 2 per 100K in Canada. Just three times higher in the US than Canada's rate BUT look at the numbers. The US had 36 times more deaths in total and 15 times more were caused by firearms. Remember these are murders not just deaths. Total deaths in the US by firearms according to the Centre for Disease Control for 2014 was 33,736! or 10.6 per 100K about the same number were killed in car accidents so I understand why you would not be concerned.
You say Chicago is the exception! Of the top 25 cities in the US, Chicago ranks 24 in murder rates. St. Louis, MO has the highest rate. Idaho only had 21 murders in 2010 and ,as you say, is relatively peaceful. Saskatchewan has about the same population with 38. I think Terrace has had one in the 15 years I have lived here. There might have been another. Not enough violent crime to warrant me wanting to arm myself though. To date some SOB stole a free Tim Horton's coffee "Roll up the Rim to Win" tab from my truck about four years ago. If it happens again I may have to re-visit my gun inventory.
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Bob
Actually I have enjoyed my all to brief visits to IDAHO. Glad you like living there.
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? Its not about 'the norm'.
Its about my gov't not treating me like a criminal unless I actually am one.
Also, it would be a major step forward for me to have the ability to protect my family and my possessions.
I am a pretty slim guy so I would likely carry a Beretta Nano.
C
Its about my gov't not treating me like a criminal unless I actually am one.
Also, it would be a major step forward for me to have the ability to protect my family and my possessions.
I am a pretty slim guy so I would likely carry a Beretta Nano.
C
Terrace has had many murders in the last 15 years including a double shooting in 2013 and fatal stabbings every year since then. For a town of 10k that is appalling.
I can reference news stories for each one if you would like.
The nature surrounding Terrace is beautiful but the town itself is awful.
Yes, many US cities have bad crime but millions of Americans live outside those areas in very low crime areas. Those cities have a lot of impoverished minority populations that simply don't exist in Canada and account for the majority of crime in America.
Tiny towns aren't all that safe. My hometown in rural mb hasn't had any murders ( to my knowledge) but the death rate from drinking and driving is bad enough.
The Hamlet of Riding Mountain only had 2 businesses. One of them was a small convenience store/Greyhound Bus stop and the other was a garage/coffee shop. About once or twice a year the coffee shop would get robbed at gunpoint with the perp shooting the ceiling on one or two occasions. They never caught the guy, and the closest RCMP was at least a 20 minute ride away.
We've had a couple of cases of a local walking down the main drag with a shotgun threatening to kill someone (can't remember exactly who: might have been his daughters boyfriend)
Yet, with all of this, I really don't feel afraid enough to bother carrying a gun on me, and as a trucker I've driven all of the lower 48 and was never shot or robbed.
I do feel I should carry a Cooey .22 with me to dispatch deer hit by vehicles, but haven't needed to do so, Yet.
The Hamlet of Riding Mountain only had 2 businesses. One of them was a small convenience store/Greyhound Bus stop and the other was a garage/coffee shop. About once or twice a year the coffee shop would get robbed at gunpoint with the perp shooting the ceiling on one or two occasions. They never caught the guy, and the closest RCMP was at least a 20 minute ride away.
We've had a couple of cases of a local walking down the main drag with a shotgun threatening to kill someone (can't remember exactly who: might have been his daughters boyfriend)
Yet, with all of this, I really don't feel afraid enough to bother carrying a gun on me, and as a trucker I've driven all of the lower 48 and was never shot or robbed.
I do feel I should carry a Cooey .22 with me to dispatch deer hit by vehicles, but haven't needed to do so, Yet.
Stats say rural areas generally have more crime per pop than larger urban areas. That said the numbers rise in the urban cities due to the density of the population. While more crimes take place numerical as a percentage of the population the numbers are smaller. Like Lionel my life experiences just don't justify any desire by me to be armed against two legged folks. I don't own anything I would kill someone over. Besides protecting property in this country cannot justify the use of lethal force. Only threats against ones life goes to that level of response.
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Bob
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Bob
I am starting to think that I maybe a bit different than many of you.
If it was legal to carry/CCW in Canada I wouldn't hesitate to carry at all times = my handguns like a knife or anything else are tools nothing more nothing less.
If the tool wasn't needed it would not be used or thought of until I put it away at the end of the day.
If it was legal to carry/CCW in Canada I wouldn't hesitate to carry at all times = my handguns like a knife or anything else are tools nothing more nothing less.
If the tool wasn't needed it would not be used or thought of until I put it away at the end of the day.
