CCI large rifle primers problems

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Hello, I'm having my first try at reloading. I have a Lee loader. I'm reloading my 270win. Using nosler 130 ballistic tip bullets, imr4831, and cci large rifle primers. When I went to shoot, 6 out of 8 did not go off and left me with hang fires. I got told that the cci primers are a harder primer.
#1 is an unused primer
#2 is one that got hit but did not ignite the powder
#3 is one from factory made ammo that operated perfectly.
Please let me know if the photo worked. First time posting for me.
My rifle is a Savage model 111 and I've never had any hang fire problems with it before.

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If the primer isn’t seated all the way, the firing pin will “push” it in without setting it off. Also, if you wet tumbled the brass, make sure it’s totally dry before you load it. It can still be wet the next day if you’re air drying it.
Besides that, more info is needed.
Factory ammo is good? How many rounds through it?
Load?
Did the primer actually go off?
Have you broken down the rounds? Any lumps in the powder?
 
A bit sketchy on the load, but I did look at a LEE Loader data sheet, and I'm not seeing IMR4831.

If you are using the 205 scoop, it throws too light a charge to be reliable. My data sheet is old, not for the new scoops, but LEE loaders typically are for 4895 or something in that burn rate, and they are for mid power loads.

I'm not dirting the LEE loader, I've owned and used several, but the 270 is a poor candidate for loading with a LEE loader, IMNSHO.

A 130 in a 270 Win takes about 60 gr of H4831 to hit the top pressure. IMR 4831 is not listed in online Nosler data, but my guess 50>53 gr would be a minimum, below that things get funky.

Lots of shooters have experience with the 270 Win. If you were to list the exact load and as much info as you can, someone will be able to help.

I'm an old phart, I load my 270's with H4831, a full case, just like Jack told us to do 50 years ago. A Fed 215 was the primer of choice back then, and a CCI 250 is in the zone as well. I don't think the primer is the issue.

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Probably the primer isn't seated correctly. Buy a hand primer, it'll work every time, and you'll still use it when you upgrade to an actual press.
 
I loaded powder from 53gn up to 56gn using a scale. I heard as well that the primers not being seated all the way definitely makes a difference. Ive taken those rounds apart and tried again with federal primers. So I just have to get out to the range now.
 
Zach321 said:
I loaded powder from 53gn up to 56gn using a scale. I heard as well that the primers not being seated all the way definitely makes a difference. Ive taken those rounds apart and tried again with federal primers. So I just have to get out to the range now.
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Please don't take this the wrong way but you need and eyes/hands on m mentor.

Somehow we're not getting all the information we need here.

Lee Loaders are as simple/tedious and trouble free as it gets. Likely your problem is just something simple, unless you have some components that have deteriorated for some reason.
 
FYI - your pics didn't work

Did you have a look at your firing pin? If it is broken but sitting in the right general area it may work some of the time. It may even give you a light strike dimple but not enough to fire the primer.
Did you try your loads in another gun? If they all work fine in your friend's gun then it is not the load/primer.
 
I guess I cant add photos until ive been on here longer. the firing pin is striking hard. some of the primers were not in straight or deep enough. I see this now that I look closer. so I am going to assemble a few more with different primers but also make sure that they are seated square and all the way.
I do not have another rifle to try them in unfortunately.

thanks for all the input guys.
Zach
 
BigRobb said:
If the primer isn’t seated all the way, the firing pin will “push” it in without setting it off.
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+1 for this, and a way to check it would be to try firing the struck round again. I had this problem once and seating the primers slightly deeper as all it took to fix it.
 
how are you priming your cases? you may have contaminated the primers with resizing lube if you are placing the primers individually into the priming arm after resizing your cases. just a guess, not enough info in your first post.
 
Use CCI primers all the time! No problems at all! But they are a little harder than the rest! Or they are not seated right!
 
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Dogleg said:
Ever notice that when theres another misfire thread theres either a CCI primer or a Savage rifle involved?
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ummm NO.

I've had issues with Remington primers, which are really hard and some of my rifles won't ignite them at all. I admit, I've taken down the tension on the firing pin springs for better sear let off but I also have an off the shelf Remington which has issues with both CCI large rifle primers and Remington.

None of the rifles I hunt with have any issues and neither do any of my milsurps with either Remington or CCI primers.

OP, if your local gunshop doesn't have CCI BR primers, which are significantly softer, look for another brand. If you're having ignition problems, stay away from Remington offerings.
 
Never had a problem with Remington or CCI primers.
That being said, If I buy an older rifle, the first thing
that gets done is a striker spring replacement. Dave.
 
mactroneng said:
+1 for this, and a way to check it would be to try firing the struck round again. I had this problem once and seating the primers slightly deeper as all it took to fix it.
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I am sure everyone knows this but NEVER try to reseat a primer on a loaded round! (Just had to say that.) If you don't get ignition with the first firing pin hit, the firing pin may have pushed the primer home or all the way into the case primer pocket. If this was the problem, the second time you try to fire that round, you should be successful.

Zach 321, were the primers flush with or slightly above the case rim. or were they slightly below the rim?

Should look like this:
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BTW, where are you located?
 
ipscgraz said:
I am sure everyone knows this but NEVER try to reseat a primer on a loaded round! (Just had to say that.)
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Yeah, no kidding! I pulled the rounds that I reseated and put them back together after.

Although I did have one incident where I dropped a round that I had just seated the bullet into on my rough concrete floor... luckily it was only a 9mm so not too big of a bang and it still scared the crap out of me.
 
Hello,
I reloaded my rounds but used federal primers instead of the cci ones and all of my rounds went off as they should. so I will be using federal primers for my .270 from now on. Just had to find what my rifle liked that's all.
thanks all for the input.
Zach
 
Zach321 said:
Hello,
I reloaded my rounds but used federal primers instead of the cci ones and all of my rounds went off as they should. so I will be using federal primers for my .270 from now on. Just had to find what my rifle liked that's all.
thanks all for the input.
Zach
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Hmmm; imagine that.......;)
 
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