CCI Nato primers

I swear to any god, if you find out, please pm me .. i've been wanting to try out these primers for as long as I've been reloading but cannot find anyone selling 'em.

I know I know, just use regular large rifle primers or large rifle magnum primers ... but I WANT to try these :p
 
Guys,
on this topic: I have plenty of military brass that I have taken the primer out and are waiting to go, but they are the Berden (sp) type. Can one use ordinary large rifle primers in it's place. The brass has this tiny little nipple in the center that I'm wondering if I should shave off to make room for the standard primer?

Did a search, but came up zero.
 
Nope, doesn't work .... Berdan primers can be found, but not easily.

squid1230 said:
Guys,
on this topic: I have plenty of military brass that I have taken the primer out and are waiting to go, but they are the Berden (sp) type. Can one use ordinary large rifle primers in it's place. The brass has this tiny little nipple in the center that I'm wondering if I should shave off to make room for the standard primer?

Did a search, but came up zero.
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slushee said:
I swear to any god, if you find out, please pm me .. i've been wanting to try out these primers for as long as I've been reloading but cannot find anyone selling 'em.

I know I know, just use regular large rifle primers or large rifle magnum primers ... but I WANT to try these :p
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Wholesale sports used to list the #34 large rifle CCI NATO but do not list them any more . I would like to find #34 & #41 small rifle . I have been using regular primers but would like the extra safety factor with the heavier NATO primers for my milsurp semi-auto rifles
Below is from CCI

CCI® No. 34 and No. 41 MILITARY RIFLE PRIMERS


Military-style semi-auto rifles seldom have firing pin retraction springs. If care is not used in assembling ammunition, a “slam-fire” can occur before the bolt locks. The military arsenals accomplish this using different techniques and components—including different primer sensitivity specifications—from their commercial counterparts. CCI makes rifle primers for commercial sale that matches military sensitivity specs that reduce the chance of a slam-fire when other factors go out of control*. If you’re reloading for a military semi-auto, look to CCI Military primers.
*Effective slam-fire prevention requires more than special primers. Headspace, chamber condition, firing pin shape and protrusion, bolt velocity, cartridge case condition, and other factors can affect slam-fire potential.
 
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squid1230 said:
Guys,
on this topic: I have plenty of military brass that I have taken the primer out and are waiting to go, but they are the Berden (sp) type. Can one use ordinary large rifle primers in it's place. The brass has this tiny little nipple in the center that I'm wondering if I should shave off to make room for the standard primer?

Did a search, but came up zero.
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the whole design is different as well as the diameter- ie it WON'T WORK, as previous stated- that "little nipple" as you put it is the ANVIL of the berdan case, and it supports the primer - with the boxer the anvil is part of the primer- the shiny part in the middle- my best advice for berdan- use them for powder measures, file handles, or sell em for scrap if you have enough- they're not worth the time and effort to attempt to reload them, even if you do find the proper tools
 
My recently acquired SKS slamfired on me yesterday & really startled me. I had loaded the magazine, pulled back the cocking handle, & let it go. BLAMMMM the gun fired without my finger near the trigger. Luckily I had the muzzle pointed in a safe direction so no harm was done. It did load another round into the chamber, but didn't slamfire again. The round was one of my reloads, but I am always careful to seat the primers all the way into the pocket. I had thoroughly checked out this weapon, & everything was clean & the firing pin was clean & free moving. I think I was the victim of a "soft" primer. I read about CCI's #34 milspec primers & started looking around Ottawa for a source. My local gun shop told me that because they are "milspec" primers the U.S will NOT allow them to be exported! I took this info with a grain of salt & fired off an email to Higginson's Powder in Hawkesbury. He replied back that he has had them on order for a long time & would let me know when the next shipment came in. He didn't mention a U.S export ban. Does anyone have any further info on this?

George
 
I hunt with an m14 and due to this often have to eject an unfired round that was chambered under a cocked and locked carry situation
one thing i've noticed is this.
Every single type of ammo i use...... various surplus from SA, Portugese, Hirtenberger..... AND every commercial type I have used....... leave a primer dent on an unfired case from firing pin contact during chambering from the magazine. You will notice this is nearly ALL semi auto rifles without a firing pin return spring.

The ONLY brand of ammunition that DOES NOT receive a firing pin dent during chambering...... at least in all of my norinco/usgi m14's ..... is Winchester

whether it's the primer seating depth or the hardness of the primer..... I do not know.... but it is now the ONLY commercial ammo i will feed my m14 actions and is high on my list of "primers to buy for reloading"
 
You can use boxer large rifle primer in the place of berdan large rifle. They are a bit loose though, and you should put some nail polish around the edge to seal it in. I've done it, and my gunsmith was the one who told me it was possible. I did 10 rounds of 7.62x39, and everyone went bang with no problems.
 
"...You can use boxer large rifle primer in the place of berdan large rifle..." No you can't. Berdan primed brass has the anvil in the primer pocket. Boxer primers have the anvil in the primer. They're not the same size either. In any case, even if you could find berdan primers, reloading berdan primed brass is more trouble than it's worth.
"...my gunsmith was the one who told me..." Your smithy is confused. Boxer primed 7.62 x 39 uses small rifle primers in the first place. Mind you, there are some brands, American commercial, as I recall, that use large rifle though. Trying to seal the primer with nail polish is asking for trouble.
CCI "milspec" primers are nothing but a marketing gimmick for magnum primers. You don't need them for any rifle.
 
sunray said:
"...You can use boxer large rifle primer in the place of berdan large rifle..." No you can't. Berdan primed brass has the anvil in the primer pocket. Boxer primers have the anvil in the primer. They're not the same size either. In any case, even if you could find berdan primers, reloading berdan primed brass is more trouble than it's worth.
"...my gunsmith was the one who told me..." Your smithy is confused. Boxer primed 7.62 x 39 uses small rifle primers in the first place. Mind you, there are some brands, American commercial, as I recall, that use large rifle though. Trying to seal the primer with nail polish is asking for trouble.
CCI "milspec" primers are nothing but a marketing gimmick for magnum primers. You don't need them for any rifle.
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Well if you say so
 
A guy on another forum asked a CCI Rep about 'em. He got a sly smirk. CCI 'milspec' primers are magnum primers. The cup is the same as any other CCI primer. Seat a regular primer properly and you'll have no problems.
How do you think M1A's, M14's, M1 Rifles and Carbines, FAL's, etc were primed before CCI invented the 'milspec' primer? Been loading for my M14, M1 and carbine for 30 years without 'em. No fuss or bother.
 
sunray said:
"...You can use boxer large rifle primer in the place of berdan large rifle..." No you can't. Berdan primed brass has the anvil in the primer pocket. Boxer primers have the anvil in the primer. They're not the same size either. In any case, even if you could find berdan primers, reloading berdan primed brass is more trouble than it's worth.
"...my gunsmith was the one who told me..." Your smithy is confused. Boxer primed 7.62 x 39 uses small rifle primers in the first place. Mind you, there are some brands, American commercial, as I recall, that use large rifle though. Trying to seal the primer with nail polish is asking for trouble.
CCI "milspec" primers are nothing but a marketing gimmick for magnum primers. You don't need them for any rifle.
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You are saying I can't, when I have actually already done it. It IS possible and I HAVE Done it. I can post some pics of rounds I reloaded and fired if the proof is required. Please talk from experience, not hearsay. I'm going to be doing some 7.62x54r with some steel cases I found a while back today as well. In the second pic you can see the base of the case, where a CCI #200 has replaced the berdan primer, and been fired. Please note the nail polish around the edge of the primer. I did not modify the steel case in any way, and I popped out the old berdan primer with the water method.

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"...have actually already done it..." Steel cases too? Note the rust. That you've drilled out the berdan primer pocket to use boxer. Steel cases are not elastic like brass is. Plus drilling out the primer pocket isn't a great idea.
Please tell anyone shooting near you you're using unsafe ammo.
 
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