CCW Recommendations. Thinking HK Tactical Compact in .45

ElmerFudd said:
There you go. Cool factor is only good at the range and at home. CCW means it is concealed. What do you think a US cop is going to say when you are arrested and say "well sir, I would have carried something smaller and less noticeable but they're not as cool ya know, dude."? :cool: :rolleyes:

Fudd
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Well officer, perhaps I'm just really happy to see you! :D
 
JohnC said:
+1 if you're going to carry in a particular state try to find out what the police use and use that. If you have an incident the lawyers will eat you alive if you use handloads.
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Factory loads it is then. Where do you carry your extra mags in a CCW rig?
 
Lots of good comments here. There is a huge personal factor to mode of carry, calibre, ammo, semi vs rev, holster, and manual safeties or not. Lots on this in the CCW certification. Thanks to students. It is good to see that you listened and I didn't put you to sleep during the cert.:p

Just fyi, I never carry an additional mag. If I can't get it done with thirteen solutions to lifes most deadly problem, I shouldn't be allowed to carry. Further 90% of lethal threat encounters where you ar compelled to go gun are over in 2-3 shoots, in 2-3 seconds. It happens fast as you know rif. I do have an additional mag in my vehicle, and I like 45 especially in the winter time. Lighter load sometimes in the summer; thats it.
 
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maurice said:
change the HK compact V1 to a LEM DAO. No levers to mess with. No trigger creep, and short as you like reset. (if you have shot an LEM, you will know what I am talking about). I sold my USP with LEM, and I regret it. It is a good and reliable gun.
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Never tried the LEM model. I'm embarassed to say I dn't know what it is.
 
safeguardguy said:
......... 90% of lethal threat encounters where you ar compelled to go gun are over in 2-3 shoots, in 2-3 seconds. It happens fast as you know rif. I do have an additional mag in my vehicle, and I like 45 ..........
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Based on this, I'm thinking a single stack 1911 Commander..............:)
 
Riflman said:
Never tried the LEM model. I'm embarassed to say I dn't know what it is.
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I believe I had the only one in the Country at one time. I sold it to a fellow in QC. He likes it. It is very popular in the US right now, as the DHS has awarded a huge contract to HK and Sig. The HK contract specified the LEM trigger.
 
safeguardguy said:
Lots of good comments here. There is a huge personal factor to mode of carry, calibre, ammo, semi vs rev, holster, and manual safeties or not. Lots on this in the CCW certification. Thanks to students. It is good to see that you listened and I didn't put you to sleep during the cert.:p

Just fyi, I never carry an additional mag. If I can't get it done with thirteen solutions to lifes most deadly problem, I shouldn't be allowed to carry. Further 90% of lethal threat encounters where you ar compelled to go gun are over in 2-3 shoots, in 2-3 seconds. It happens fast as you know rif. I do have an additional mag in my vehicle, and I like 45 especially in the winter time. Lighter load sometimes in the summer; thats it.
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I agree with just about everything except the "I never carry an additional mag" part. It's been my experience that most malfunctions for semi-auto's (both rifle and pistol) can be traced back to faulty magazines.

I've never had one of my homes burn down to date (knock on wood), but I'm not about to go out and cancel my fire insurance, either.

In my opinion, one should always have at least one spare magazine, even if it's only for malfunction drills - Murphy is alive and well. I don't mean to get in a pissing contest here, but an extra mag in the vehicle won't do one any good unless they're in said vehicle - and then only if it hasn't rattled around and shifted position in the glovebox/console,etc. and is now somewhere on the floorboards.
 
For CCW I believe in SIMPLE, ie no manual safeties, light and thin. Minimum caliber of 9mm or 9mm Makarov. Effective CCW means you have to carry it and it gets uncomfortable carrying a heavy gun all the time.

Using a 9mm rather than a 45 is playing the odds a little, but then again, if you need to go somewhere that is so dangerous that you expect to have to use your gun, you'd better take a shotgun.

Being aware of your surroundings and situation is more valuable than a larger caliber or extra mags.

My choices are a Makarov, P7-M8, or snub revolver, small of back or canted hip carry, no extra mags.
 
jaycee said:
I agree with just about everything except the "I never carry an additional mag" part. It's been my experience that most malfunctions for semi-auto's (both rifle and pistol) can be traced back to faulty magazines.

I've never had one of my homes burn down to date (knock on wood), but I'm not about to go out and cancel my fire insurance, either.

In my opinion, one should always have at least one spare magazine, even if it's only for malfunction drills - Murphy is alive and well. I don't mean to get in a pissing contest here, but an extra mag in the vehicle won't do one any good unless they're in said vehicle - and then only if it hasn't rattled around and shifted position in the glovebox/console,etc. and is now somewhere on the floorboards.
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Credit given for Murphy; Some folks carry a back-up gun in case their primary gun fails. I think that is over the top. But to each his own. In tactical pistol fighting, they limit your rounds to 5 to discourage the "spray and pray" mentality or panic. Lets realize that the chances of getting into a lethal threat situation where you actually go gun are slim but not non-existant. More pointing or presenting situations than anything else.

It is a personal decision of how prepared you feel you need to be vs comfort. I have a four mag holder so I can conceal 61 rounds, but I don't. My semi Auto does not jam. It is reliable and well maintained. Further, If I am getting out of my vehicle and feel concerned I sometimes pocket the extra mag. In an extreme hollywood type multiple assailant firestorm situation I still should not need more than 13 rounds to either get the job done or fight back to my vehicle for a spare mag. Many carry a revolver because they are supposedly "more reliable than semi autos". When I carry a revolver, I carry a speed strip so I have 12 rounds total on me. I am comfortable with that. The steps run like this: situational awareness, avoid, evade, retreat, present, move to cover or tactical advantage. Its usually over there. If it goes beyond that, keep moving and don't spray and pray.
 
I would have to agree with jaycee. I think carrying an extra mag is a good idea. It really doesn't take much more space or add much weight. BUT it also depends on the magazine's physical size and capacity. If it is some monster size double stack mag that is going to be hard to conceal (not that it has to be) then maybe skip it. If it is only a 6 round mag but they are small (ie. PPK) then it really doesn't take much to carry it. If your double stack holds 15 rounds maybe you don't need an extra. Be sure if it is larger than 10 rounds that it is legal in the state you are in and that you re-pin it before returning to Canada. I don't see much point of mags larger than 10 rounds though. But an extra mag just in case there is a problem makes it quick and easy to put in a new mag instead of fighting with the gun. But that is what you do in IPSC and how I practice.


SandRoad said:
For CCW I believe in SIMPLE, ie no manual safeties, light and thin.
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I believe in my safety first. Manual safeties don't add time when you know and practice with your gun. Ask any competitor shooting a 1911 if they feel the "production" shooters have a time advantage. Don't think so.

SandRoad said:
Using a 9mm rather than a 45 is playing the odds a little, but then again, if you need to go somewhere that is so dangerous that you expect to have to use your gun, you'd better take a shotgun.
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You'd be better off avoiding the area and calling the cops. Let them deal with the problem if you know it's that bad. But your point taken... don't take a knife to a gun fight. :rolleyes:


Fudd
 
safeguardguy said:
Credit given for Murphy; Some folks carry a back-up gun in case their primary gun fails. I think that is over the top. But to each his own. In tactical pistol fighting, they limit your rounds to 5 to discourage the "spray and pray" mentality or panic. Lets realize that the chances of getting into a lethal threat situation where you actually go gun are slim but not non-existant. More pointing or presenting situations than anything else.

It is a personal decision of how prepared you feel you need to be vs comfort. I have a four mag holder so I can conceal 61 rounds, but I don't. My semi Auto does not jam. It is reliable and well maintained. Further, If I am getting out of my vehicle and feel concerned I sometimes pocket the extra mag. In an extreme hollywood type multiple assailant firestorm situation I still should not need more than 13 rounds to either get the job done or fight back to my vehicle for a spare mag. Many carry a revolver because they are supposedly "more reliable than semi autos". When I carry a revolver, I carry a speed strip so I have 12 rounds total on me. I am comfortable with that. The steps run like this: situational awareness, avoid, evade, retreat, present, move to cover or tactical advantage. Its usually over there. If it goes beyond that, keep moving and don't spray and pray.
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Please don't take this reply as a personal attack or challenge, because it is not intended as such. It is entirely posted in the spirit of discussion, to get people thinking.

Personally, as far as comfort goes, compared to the pistol on my hip I've never even been aware of the extra magazine on my support side hip. Come to think of it, compared to my pistol, comfort's never been an issue for an extra mag, flashlight, and a set of cuffs on my offside hip either.

I agree, I personally wouldn't carry a BUG either; often there's a fine line between 'prepared' and 'Rambo'.

Again, in the spirit of discussion, as far as semi-autos that don't jam, any mechanical object can fail, even yours. Parts can break, springs can fail (even new ones), mags can crack, rounds can be dud, et al. I too have firearms that have never jammed to date, but I'm not going to bet my life on it not happening - again, my personal decision. Regular and proper maintenance will go a long way to preventing these things from happening, but won't totally eliminate them.

Personally, if I'm going to go to the bother of CCW I'm going to carry an extra magazine (and a flashlight as a bare minimum, but that's a different subject). When/if I CCW, there's a good chance that one or more of my family members will be with me at the time. The last thing I want to have to worry about is how I'm going to somehow fight my way back to my vehicle all the while trying to stay aware of cover, concealment, bad guys, family members, innocent bystanders, my own butt, arriving police officers, etc. Hopefully family members shouldn't be an issue; they all know that at Dad's signal, they're to put as much distance as possible between them and me and call 911 (providing location, events, my description as well as that of the bad guys, direction of travel, etc) - again if possible. Not to mention that if I do need to shoot, once the smoke's cleared and I'm hunkered down behind cover and have scanned 361 degrees, I want to be able to bring my firearm back up to full capacity - just in case; the old +1 rule.

Sometimes my wife shakes her head at me; I'm one of those guys that as a minimum always carries a Surefire in my pocket as a compliment to my folding knife in the other pocket. Maybe I'm paranoid. I like to call it prepared.
 
JohnC Says
+1 if you're going to carry in a particular state try to find out what the police use and use that. If you have an incident the lawyers will eat you alive if you use handloads.
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I am a CCW holder in Colorado, John if you could show me where anyone has been prosocuted for using handloads I would like to see it. I roll my own and that si what I use. The handload stuff you posted is a myth. But you do have to have just cause to use lethal force, that is all. Les
 
ElmerFudd said:
I believe in my safety first. Manual safeties don't add time when you know and practice with your gun. Ask any competitor shooting a 1911 if they feel the "production" shooters have a time advantage. Don't think so.

Fudd
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A manual safety is just another thing that you would have to think about after: You have been hit across the back with a baseball bat, another guy is tugging on your left arm, you are trying to keep the gravel out of your mouth as you try to shout for help, all while you are struggling to get your gun out from UNDER your coat or shirt (remember, your gun is CONCEALED). :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: THAT is a worst case senario, not a running gunbattle.

ElmerFudd said:
You'd be better off avoiding the area and calling the cops. Let them deal with the problem if you know it's that bad. But your point taken... don't take a knife to a gun fight. :rolleyes:

Fudd
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Exactly, don't take a knife......... I was just being a bit sarcastic when I suggested taking a shotgun.

But then again, in some places in the world it's good advice if you can't avoid going into a bad area (or being in a bad area).

First rule, avoid trouble if possible.
 
If I could carry concealed it would be my Colt Gunsite Pistol (CCO). Officers frame, commander slide. Reliable, accurate .45 that points well and is easy to use.
 
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