CDTSA Multigun *Complete. Score info and video on POST 127
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Whoa! Hello!
I actually like the simplicity of only two classes. But I wonder what the handicap will be for my 1919?
Ahh, there we go then.
I actually like the simplicity of only two classes. But I wonder what the handicap will be for my 1919?
Ahh, there we go then.
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Although I disagree on this one:
FTE is an FTE, whether it's blatant or not. If you don't engage a target, that ought to be a penalty. That way there's no blurry touchy feely things like "intention"
FTE is an FTE, whether it's blatant or not. If you don't engage a target, that ought to be a penalty. That way there's no blurry touchy feely things like "intention"
There was a course of fire where skipping a target was faster than engaging (if you missed.... time to engage plus miss penalty).
So if the target was not attempted and skipped to the next target sets they only got 5 seconds making it faster. This is special circumstance and only applied once last year.
Last year it did count as just a miss, but it was a bit too gamey for some people so we are putting it at discretion of the R.O.
This is what was intended last year.
Just got the barriers removed.
If everyone goes UC class again, then we will remove LC and add Heavy metal or what ever the majority wants.
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Why not adopt multi-gun rules and then all of the ROs are on the same page?
If it is one thing that got my blood pressure up when running IDPA matches is when some ROs are running a tight ship and others were loose with the rules.
While I get that this is 'for fun', most people appreciate a level playing field even if it is just for bragging rights.
If it is one thing that got my blood pressure up when running IDPA matches is when some ROs are running a tight ship and others were loose with the rules.
While I get that this is 'for fun', most people appreciate a level playing field even if it is just for bragging rights.
Typically I do the walk through with all groups and RO's. This is to help maintain consistency. For this year the rules will most likely not change. BUT, we are open to all ideas and enhancements that will allow us to grow and make the shoots more enjoyable for all. (PM sent to discuss your idea in more detail).
In short, find me, talk with me (or one of the other guys helping with 3G), and we can discuss any ideas that people come up with. My only real concerns are safety, and the shooters are having fun. If all the shooters say do it one way.... then we will do it
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No, I'm all in favor of having a penalty. It's the "blatant" and "spirit" stuff that seems iffy. And may 60 seconds instead of 15
I think a failure to engage should carry a heavy penalty no matter what. If you're gaming the course and skipping targets because you think its faster, an FTE penalty means it's no longer worth while. If you're not paying attention and skip a target, you'll learn your lesson!
But, for the sake of fun (for funsakes?) I can see why you'd let the RO make the call.
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Multi-gun rules can get pretty long winded. Who wants to be out there measuring milimeters of their magazines? It seems silly if you've got 15 shooters and only a handful in each class spread over heavy-metal-limited, heavy-metal-scope, tac-limited/tac-irons, scope-tac, open.
2 classes makes sense to me for small scale stuff like this.
I don't think the particulars matter as much as having consistent rules that everyone follows. If there is a set of rules clubs use throughout Alberta say, then it stands to reason that competitors would be more inclined to travel and compete at different clubs, thus growing the sport. For this alone, I would recommend considering using those that are proving the most popular amongst the 3-gun sports.
Having consistant, established rules also means competitors that are looking to start or even continue can source and buy kit and guns with confidence that they can use that equipment.
If one doesn't know the rules or if rules will be changed, how do they prepare for a match or matches from year to year?
Having consistant, established rules also means competitors that are looking to start or even continue can source and buy kit and guns with confidence that they can use that equipment.
If one doesn't know the rules or if rules will be changed, how do they prepare for a match or matches from year to year?
We've got a set of rules in the Peace Country, WRAS, and CHAS and everyone else have their own rule sets.
It hasn't kept us from traveling to Spruce Grove to shoot. Worst case, you end up in a different division than you expected to.
We will adopt a mainstream set of rules in the future(Looking at modifying 3GN rules). More likely when we can run the matches at Milo and have larger turn out....but for this year, the rules will stand as is.
As for equipment. To be honest I typically just lend people what they need during the match if they forgot something. This year we will have another shotgun stage that will be around the 30 shot mark, some people don't have the means of carrying 30 rounds on the belt. Ammosupply hooked me up with a shotgun MICRORIG that I lend out for that stage to anyone that needs it. And also, this year people need slings on the rifles and shotguns which I am SURE people will show up saying "I didn't know". In that case, they can borrow mine too(As long as I am not running the stage). Need a shirt? Heres one off my back. I am not a big guy though so it might look like Chris Farly doing the "Fat man in a little coat" dance.
As for equipment. To be honest I typically just lend people what they need during the match if they forgot something. This year we will have another shotgun stage that will be around the 30 shot mark, some people don't have the means of carrying 30 rounds on the belt. Ammosupply hooked me up with a shotgun MICRORIG that I lend out for that stage to anyone that needs it. And also, this year people need slings on the rifles and shotguns which I am SURE people will show up saying "I didn't know". In that case, they can borrow mine too(As long as I am not running the stage). Need a shirt? Heres one off my back. I am not a big guy though so it might look like Chris Farly doing the "Fat man in a little coat" dance.
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That is all well and good for the guys currently shooting these matches. My guess is that there is a small number of guys doing this - which is great. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for KISS and any rounds down range is a good day...but.
I guess where I'm coming from is it would be nice to see 3GN grow provincially and even nationally.
As you are all aware, our sport(s) are under siege. Showing to the rest of Canada that these are well organized, well attended matches goes a long way in legitimizing the sport as a whole.
What to you is a "small number" of guys? Action shooting at PR, GP, and FSJ is well attended and well supported by the clubs.
50% of the shooters at the GP winter 3G match were new shooters. The sport is legitimate and growing.
You tell me. How many guys make the trek for attending 3 gun matches from your club down to Edmonton on average? 10? 20?
I'm not suggesting it is not legitimate or growing. I imagine if clubs adopted a standardized rule book it would have more traction for growth. It would make it easier for competitors to travel from club to club knowing the guys shooting in the next city over are shooting to the same rules.
For legitimacy I think back to the DCRA's going to bat for the AR fow prior to C68 - they kept them from going prohib. There is weight there and a valuable lesson for all of us in the shooting sports. Concerted effort to keep the government and antis from grabbing more should be realized through organized sport at a provincial and national level.
I hate politics as much as anyone here, but the truth is individual club level matches and the voice it generates doesn't have the same impact. As a community, we are trying to stem loosing our property and freedoms.
I can imagine 3 gun being very popular in Canada as a whole with provincials and a national match being held yearly much like IPSC.
Just something to think about.
I think this has wandered far enough off the path of discussing the CDTSA's 3 gun matches, so I'll end there.
I'm not suggesting it is not legitimate or growing. I imagine if clubs adopted a standardized rule book it would have more traction for growth. It would make it easier for competitors to travel from club to club knowing the guys shooting in the next city over are shooting to the same rules.
For legitimacy I think back to the DCRA's going to bat for the AR fow prior to C68 - they kept them from going prohib. There is weight there and a valuable lesson for all of us in the shooting sports. Concerted effort to keep the government and antis from grabbing more should be realized through organized sport at a provincial and national level.
I hate politics as much as anyone here, but the truth is individual club level matches and the voice it generates doesn't have the same impact. As a community, we are trying to stem loosing our property and freedoms.
I can imagine 3 gun being very popular in Canada as a whole with provincials and a national match being held yearly much like IPSC.
Just something to think about.
I think this has wandered far enough off the path of discussing the CDTSA's 3 gun matches, so I'll end there.
We don't shoot it for political gain or legitimacy or to participate in provincial or national events.
When you start running sanctioned matches by 3GN or whoever, let us know.
Sorry for hijacking your thread, JoKa.
