Ceramic nano coating of barrel...

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Hi all...

While i am not a precision rifle shooter i would like to get into this type of shooting... Gonna buy an F class rifle this spring. i was cruising the internet and found an interesting new product from Otis Technologies.

It is a new nanoparticle ceramic coating for the inside of a barrel that is reputed by the manufacturer to make the barrel harder and more durable. I am sure any of you with interest can google this and find the internet ad.

I want to know if anyone has used this new product and if it really works. Because of the barrel burning calibers in the long range rifles, i wonder if this type of treatment would help?

Just wondering.


RDG
 
Was Hoping someone else would do that...

CyaN1de said:
Sounds like snake oil to me. By all means though, try it out and let us know whether it works or not.
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I was hoping someone else would have done that already... I may have to take the plunge... I am a research scientist and enjoy experimenting in new territory. Have to buy an F class gun first.. then i will consider it..

RDG
 
Do they coat the inside of barrels with this?

CanAm said:
My money is on tufftriding aka tenifer, carbo-nitriding, melonite qpq. It actually does these things, and prevents corrosion.
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Sorry for being a newb about this .. i have heard of tenifer coating on glock pistols but not heard of it on the inside of a barrel? Have i been living in a cave? LOL

RDG
 
Glock, S&W, Walther, and others (i think SIG) do it on their barrels.

It is a very common industrial process. One of the best, and cheapest, gun finishes around. The finish is often more rust resistant than stainless steel. It also improves the toughness of the steel and normalizes the grain size, etc. I have not compared it to cryo treating, but I am sold on melonite, so I stick with it.

The only disadvantage is it cannot be done on brazed parts. The finishing guys state they are concerned about thin parts, but 1911 frames are done frequently in the US with no issues with distortion.

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Well, as a research scientist I very much look forward to your controlled studies and evidence based conclusions on the subject. That is a methodology completely absent from the evaluation of anything firearms related. Ours is a culture completely based on anecdote and lore.
 
To do that properly.. i need two guns!

Obtunded said:
Well, as a research scientist I very much look forward to your controlled studies and evidence based conclusions on the subject. That is a methodology completely absent from the evaluation of anything firearms related. Ours is a culture completely based on anecdote and lore.
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To do that study properly.. i need to have two guns.. One that i shoot with the appropriate loads and One that i shoot after using this product. That would really be the only way to evaluate this product and its claims. 1000 rounds out of each gun then then cut the barrels to see the difference. (probably the best method) But.. i guess i need to save for two guns.. then buy another gun after the test... Gotta save my money for this.. LOL...

RDG
 
Don't machine gun barrels use a product called Stellite or something like that?

Isn't it a kind of ceramic?

Obviously we have chromed barrels which should be more resistant to wear then 'naked' steel.

There was another company that was listed on 6mmBR.com that was offering this type of treatment. Sounds great if it works...unless of course the treatment costs the moon

Then there is the always present headache of import/export of firearms parts if US based manf.

Let us know how it goes...For ease of testing and reduction in costs, if you went with a barrel nut switch barrel rifle - Savage or Rem - you could get barrels from the same manf which would be pretty close to identical to do a side by side comparison.

Being able to accurately measure the wear would be interesting.

Jerry
 
rdgietz said:
To do that study properly.. i need to have two guns.. One that i shoot with the appropriate loads and One that i shoot after using this product. That would really be the only way to evaluate this product and its claims. 1000 rounds out of each gun then then cut the barrels to see the difference. (probably the best method) But.. i guess i need to save for two guns.. then buy another gun after the test... Gotta save my money for this.. LOL...

RDG
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Apply to the feds for a research grant. I'm sure they would be happy to throw some taxpayer dollars your way.:)
 
I might try that.. good idea

mysticplayer said:
Don't machine gun barrels use a product called Stellite or something like that?

Isn't it a kind of ceramic?

Obviously we have chromed barrels which should be more resistant to wear then 'naked' steel.

There was another company that was listed on 6mmBR.com that was offering this type of treatment. Sounds great if it works...unless of course the treatment costs the moon

Then there is the always present headache of import/export of firearms parts if US based manf.

Let us know how it goes...For ease of testing and reduction in costs, if you went with a barrel nut switch barrel rifle - Savage or Rem - you could get barrels from the same manf which would be pretty close to identical to do a side by side comparison.

Being able to accurately measure the wear would be interesting.

Jerry
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I was going to try it on my swiss classic green but i think it would be better in a cheap gun. Never thought of two barrel trick.. would certainly keep costs down.. Thanks for the idea..
 
Another good idea..

tootall said:
Apply to the feds for a research grant. I'm sure they would be happy to throw some taxpayer dollars your way.:)
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Now there is another good idea.. Not sure i would qualify though... Can't believe they would give me a grant that has to do with guns and physics and all i have is a biology background...

But i will look around.. LOL.. one never knows..


RDG
 
Two barrel solution is a good idea, buy 26 inch barrels and you could cut off an inch at a time, fire more rounds and gauge wear over number of rounds fired. when done do a complete cross section on the 20 or 18 remaining inches. or try it in a 9 mm, easier to barrel swap and can fire more rounds more quickly speeding up the study, if wear is what you are looking at it might be a cheap solution.
 
Buy a Stevens in 22-250, I have a new take off, unfired except by Savage Arms, actually it hasn't been taken off yet, spare barrel as I'm sure others do as well here on CGN so the test would be economical.

Before you start testing, what would the cost be to get a barrel coated? If its too much it won't matter how good the stuff works.
 
Another good Idea!

dizzy said:
Two barrel solution is a good idea, buy 26 inch barrels and you could cut off an inch at a time, fire more rounds and gauge wear over number of rounds fired. when done do a complete cross section on the 20 or 18 remaining inches. or try it in a 9 mm, easier to barrel swap and can fire more rounds more quickly speeding up the study, if wear is what you are looking at it might be a cheap solution.
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I will have to price out this option. I definately want to go as inexpensive as possible but i do want to stick with a rifle as the pressures and velocities are much higher that in a 9 mm. Thanks for the thoughts..

RDG
 
Coating kit is $83.98... not too much

PEI ROB said:
Buy a Stevens in 22-250, I have a new take off, unfired except by Savage Arms, actually it hasn't been taken off yet, spare barrel as I'm sure others do as well here on CGN so the test would be economical.

Before you start testing, what would the cost be to get a barrel coated? If its too much it won't matter how good the stuff works.
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The cost of the coating kit is $83.98 direct from the company.. I am sure it would be more in Canada with shipping and exchange. If it gives me another 50% or even 100% of barrel life. Would it be worth it. They claim increased accuracy also....

What would be best is to have a barrel burning caliber to really see if this coating works to give more resistance to barrel wear.

To actually test this properly would be use it in a variety of calibers from non-barrel burners... to extreme barrel burners..

Hmmmm this is getting more expensive all the time..

RDG
 
22-250's are not easy on barrels. 7mm rem mags are very hard on barrels. I just so happen to have a few of those here as well, new of course, and yes at least one still on the rifle, never fired but I intend to use the actions for projects.
 
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