CFC Slow in Sending Out Reg. Certificates??

[cariboo_kid]

I've usually had my non-restricteds to the range several times before I get the certificates in the mail. I don't consider it a big deal. If it concerns you with a restricted then take the advice to call the cfo and ask for a fax copy. They are usually pretty helpful to us in BC.

When I sell a rifle I have long since received confirmation from the seller that they've received the firearm, by the time I get the notice of transfer in the mail. They certainly aren't going to be any quicker with a restricted.

 

[Halger280HVMag]

On my ATT, the information I am quoting is from the third section, the same section that makes mention of transport to gunsmiths and border-points.
What you are quoting is also present on my ATT in the second part (conditions and destinations).

I am in BC, and I am aware that there are differences in ATTs from other areas of the country. Still I have to think that the strong wording used indicates (to me) that the rule might apply everywhere in Canada.
The only way to find out is to call CFC. I'll do that and report my findings.

Cheers.

OK, Halger, THAT made me look at my ATT.

My ATT, luckily perhaps for me, does not say anything like that.

It says the usual things about most direct route, must be in possession of a valid license, the ATT may be revoked if I cease to be a member in good standing of my club, etc but nothing at all about having the reg. certificate on me.

Hmm.

Still think I will take it to the range unless someone can definitively prove that this is a BAD idea.

Anybody else? All views are welcome.

 

[Dav]

Month and a half so far on a nonrestricted certificate. Still waiting.

I should prolly call at some point...

 

[Halger280HVMag]

IMHO. After ten days or so, a call to CFC is in order.

A couple months ago I received a couple pistols from Marstar. I let a month go by before giving CFC a call. I was told that the registration was returned to CFC as undeliverable. After making sure that the address was correct (it was),The papers were put back in the system and I received them a few days later.

Had I not called, I would be waiting still.

#### happens Eh!

 

[NAA]

Been getting my certs in about 10 business days lately. Sometimes quicker if the deal was thru a dealer.

 

[Judge Vandelay]

On my ATT, the information I am quoting is from the third section, the same section that makes mention of transport to gunsmiths and border-points.
What you are quoting is also present on my ATT in the second part (conditions and destinations).

I am in BC, and I am aware that there are differences in ATTs from other areas of the country. Still I have to think that the strong wording used indicates (to me) that the rule might apply everywhere in Canada.
The only way to find out is to call CFC. I'll do that and report my findings.

Cheers.

Good morning, Halger. I guess the CFC is closed today and closed until Tuesday. Governments take Easter Monday off. I know, I used to work for a government.

Yeah, my ATT under Reason just says Transport to and from an approved shooting club" etc and then names my club underneath it.

On the other side (the sections on mine are not numbered) under Registration Certificate numbers of firearms to be transported, mine say "All restricted firearms registered to the residence of the authorization holder".

I guess I am assuming, perhaps wrongly, that even though I am not yet in possession of the registration certificate itself, the pistol is still registered to my residence. Especially since I have a copy of the temp ATT from the dealer to my residence with the authorization number and registration number on it.

However, I am getting nervous now and shall probably wait for the damn certificate to show up. The chances of getting "caught" are probably about one in eight million but I would hate to screw up my career shooting restricted just when it is getting nicely off the ground.

If you find out anything, please let us know.

 

[target]

Good morning, Halger. I guess the CFC is closed today and closed until Tuesday. Governments take Easter Monday off. I know, I used to work for a government.

Yeah, my ATT under Reason just says Transport to and from an approved shooting club" etc and then names my club underneath it.

On the other side (the sections on mine are not numbered) under Registration Certificate numbers of firearms to be transported, mine say "All restricted firearms registered to the residence of the authorization holder".

I guess I am assuming, perhaps wrongly, that even though I am not yet in possession of the registration certificate itself, the pistol is still registered to my residence. Especially since I have a copy of the temp ATT from the dealer to my residence with the authorization number and registration number on it.

However, I am getting nervous now and shall probably wait for the damn certificate to show up. The chances of getting "caught" are probably about one in eight million but I would hate to screw up my career shooting restricted just when it is getting nicely off the ground.

If you find out anything, please let us know.

If a restricted was to show up at you're house in the mail, then the ATT is not an issue. Of course theoretically you would need a temporary ATT to get it home from the mailbox or post office if it did not just come in you're mailbox at home. If you are buying at a local dealer and taking it home then you will need the temporary ATT, which you can get as soon as the transfer of the registration from the dealer to you is approved.

The way I see it is that the moment the transfer of the firearm is complete, the gun is now registered to you. If you're long term ATT is anything like mine, it allows me to transport ALL restricted's (old and new) from my home to ALL ranges in my province at ALL times of the day or night. That would include any I just recieved and are registered to me whether or not the CFC has sent the completed paperwork.

I will normally have the transfer notification before I have the gun. It is either faxed to to the local dealer i'm buying from, or it comes in the mail before the gun if it's from further away. I consider the transfer notice as my proof of ownership since the gun in question is listed on that form.

 

[marshall]

tranfer

what is this I hear about days -weeks for a non restricted
transfer?????????????
I usally have them done in 2min. after the long
wait on hold- I have private transfers and dealer tranf.
I have had restricted done in 3 hours if not week end.

 

[Judge Vandelay]

If a restricted was to show up at you're house in the mail, then the ATT is not an issue.

Never said the ATT was the issue. The issue is going to the range without the registration certificate for the pistol, which will probably? show up in the mail next week. Just getting tired of waiting.

To repeat:

I have the pistol.

I have the retailer's receipt for the pistol.

I have a copy of the temp. ATT which got the pistol from the retailer to my door. This temp. ATT has the authorization number on it and what appears to be the new registration number.

The only piece missing is the registration certificate itself.

 

[BC Mike]

Unless Ontario is different than BC re long term ATT's, Do you actually have your LONG TERM ATT? The temp ATT is only good to get your firearm home.
Mike

 

[Halger280HVMag]

There's also this from the Criminal Code of Canada.
Again there's no mention of anything other than the Certificate of Registration being acceptable.

Criminal Code
PART III: FIREARMS AND OTHER WEAPONS
Search and Seizure

Seizure on failure to produce authorization


117.03 (1) Notwithstanding section 117.02, a peace officer who finds

(a) a person in possession of a firearm who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess the firearm and a registration certificate for the firearm, or

(b) a person in possession of a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess it,

may seize the firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition unless its possession by the person in the circumstances in which it is found is authorized by any provision of this Part, or the person is under the direct and immediate supervision of another person who may lawfully possess it.

 

[cas]

Illegal

There is some really bad advice being given here... It is Illegal..I repeat ILLEGAL to transport a resticted firearm without the registration cert.

 

[IM_Lugger]

I bought a gun a couple of weeks ago, after the transfer was completed CFO faxed the temp ATT and transfer notice to the store. I went there and picked up my gun...

Now how is that different from taking the gun to the range with the transfer notice and long term ATT?


Btw I remember CFO Ont telling me that transfer notice is enough to take the gun to the range (with an ATT of course).

 

[cas]

I bought a gun a couple of weeks ago, after the transfer was completed CFO faxed the temp ATT and transfer notice to the store. I went there and picked up my gun...

Now how is that different from taking the gun to the range with the transfer notice and long term ATT?


Btw I remember CFO Ont telling me that transfer notice is enough to take the gun to the range (with an ATT of course).

I do not want to get into an argument..No CFO in any province will over-ride the Criminal Code. If you feel confident, leave your cert at home, or better yet destoy it, and on you way to the range, flag down a police officer... You will NOT leave with that weapon...THAT I GUARANTEE

People who are not willing to do this themselves, should not be telling someone who dosen't know to "sure go ahead"...

 

[Judge Vandelay]

Thanks Halger (and others) for your research and good advice. That criminal code reference seems pretty clear.

I will wait for the reg. certificate to be in my hot little hand before I take the pistol to the range.

PS: Of course, I have a long term ATT. The registration certificate is the only issue and Halger has presented some pretty convincing evidence.

 

[Rimfire]

On the transfer notification you got in the begining it would have cleared all of this up for you. It would have said.

"The transfer of your firearm has been approved. If the firearms are non-restricted, you can take posession of them now"

Technically I read that as you shouldn't even have the handgun in your posession unless you already have the certificate.

Looks like you dodged a bullet there, literally!

 

[IM_Lugger]

I do not want to get into an argument..No CFO in any province will over-ride the Criminal Code. If you feel confident, leave your cert at home, or better yet destoy it, and on you way to the range, flag down a police officer... You will NOT leave with that weapon...THAT I GUARANTEE

I'm not saying you can leave the certificate at home when you have it, but if you're still waiting for it the transfer notice should be fine!

On the transfer notification you got in the begining it would have cleared all of this up for you. It would have said.

"The transfer of your firearm has been approved. If the firearms are non-restricted, you can take posession of them now"

And right below it says you need an ATT for restricted… it doesn’t way you need to wait the Reg. Certificate to pick it up....


OK so do guys wait for the Reg. Certificate to come before picking up a gun? OR when a dealer mails it to you with a transfer notice, are you barking the law because you have a gun in possession before the registration comes in the mail?

 

[Judge Vandelay]

On the transfer notification you got in the begining it would have cleared all of this up for you. It would have said.

"The transfer of your firearm has been approved. If the firearms are non-restricted, you can take posession of them now"

Technically I read that as you shouldn't even have the handgun in your posession unless you already have the certificate.

Looks like you dodged a bullet there, literally!

The mailman handed me the pistol at my home. The package had enclosed in it, along with the pistol, a copy of the TEMP att from the retailer to my place, with the transfer notice and new reg. certificate number on it (ie. on the temp. ATT).

I am still waiting for the reg. certificate.

I don't think I dodged anything. Can I help it if the post office, of all people, is faster than the CFC?

 

[Halger280HVMag]

This has to do with the long-term ATT not the short term ATT for shipping.

The Law states that when you take your restricted or prohibited firearm to the range, you must have with you at all times certain documents. These are, PAL, ATT, and the Registration Certificate for each of those firearms.

If a person does not meet all these requirements, then that person is breaking the Law.

I'm not saying you can leave the certificate at home when you have it, but if you're still waiting for it the transfer notice should be fine!


And right below it says you need an ATT for restricted… it doesn’t way you need to wait the Reg. Certificate to pick it up....


OK so do guys wait for the Reg. Certificate to come before picking up a gun? OR when a dealer mails it to you with a transfer notice, are you barking the law because you have a gun in possession before the registration comes in the mail?

 

[cas]

I'm not saying you can leave the certificate at home when you have it, but if you're still waiting for it the transfer notice should be fine!


According to who??? YOU?? Well i'm here to tell you It's not fine. I'm NOT making this up.. Nor am I barking the law..I'm simply stating the law.

Someone asked if it was "ok" to transfer without a cert. You (and many more) said "Ya sure go ahead". Well that information is dead wrong You CANNOT. I'm not saying I like it.. or even agree with it.. but a wrong answer could have lasting implications on someone who does not know.. So If you don't know the right answer.. DON"T ANSWER..