CFET BCL Siberian 4000 Round Final Report
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Really sad that you've got to spend $3000+ to get a half-decent replacement for a $700 AR.
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I know a few people who also have them and not had any issues at all... but I don't think anyone buying one is dumping loads of dirt directly into the receiver and firing it for the 'first test', then using the same rifle for more tests after its already been damaged.
Where in the report did they say they put dirt in it for the first shots? It would make no sense to do that for this kind of test for the first shots. Even if dirt was in the gun, dirt should not be able to cause any catastrophic permanent damage to any decent firearm after a cleaning which I assume the gun was cleaned and not just caked with dirt for the entire testing period.
in the first '1000 round test video' they did... I was surprised BCL would let them send it back for warranty work after doing that... and then they expected a different outcome? seems just weird to me. I'm sure this thread will go all sideways again like the last one they did.
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You could just read the report where they say exactly which mags they use and what worked and what didn't. Spoiler: PMAGs were the most reliable at "moderately reliable".
It is baffling to see the same negative comments from people who continue to cope and not read the report.
Before we get a silly reply, we aren't involved with CFET and we were not involved with any of this testing. We just like to see it actually being done. *cough* *cough* manufacturers should be doing this *cough*
Where is the video?
I gotta see this.
Hi Gatehouse, I believe this is what you're asking for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3oesRlWZZo
My apologies if I'm wrong. Take care.
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Yeah there is no dirt ever put in the gun here. They're making stuff up because clearly it must be such a good gun, which is why it had all of the issues it did. It must be because it was near dirt, it doesnt matter that it was cleaned according to the schedule in the manual, that the manufacturer sent it back 3 times and it would break again and again, it couldn't possibly be a bad gun! It must be this specific gun! No! They have great QC and are great! That's why they returned a gun that kept having issues!
So. Much. Cope.
Metal "GI" mags were the most reliable at "moderately reliable" which parallels my experience with the one I tested (only 1k rounds though). Biggest issue was no mono-podding, especially with Pmags, slightly better with GI mags. Like Tom says, the rifle has potential, a few easy fixes (BCG that seals upper when in battery, better ventilated handguard, tool-less gas system disassembly and elimination of right side bolt release) and it could be a very decent rifle.
Thanks, I didn't see any dirt application in that video though
I've seen a few of Mr MeatShower videos and they are good and entertaining. But I somewhat question the value of the type of "testing" they are doing in the video- hammering out as many rounds as fast as they can pull the trigger. When I test things I test them how I'm going to use them- and there isn't much practical application for that sort of shooting. No match calls for 200 rounds in a row as fast as you can pull the trigger. And lets face it, if for some reason a person has to go into a combat situation where rapid sustained fire is mandatory, they aren't going to grab a BCL anyway
And as much as I think mud/dirt tests are fun, I don't see much practical application for most of them, either. I've hunted all over BC for many years which included many slips, slides, falls, dunkings and a few horse wrecks and have never got my rifle as dirty as most of the dirt tests I've seen people do. I've watched Ian from Forgotten Weapons and his buddy do lots of mud tests on battle proven military firearms and most of them fail quickly so yeah, while they are fun and interesting, for the most part I don't think it's a practical test.
Over insertion of magazines seem to be a recurring theme with many of the 180 rifles offered. My Gen 1 WK 180 will do it with Cross mags if I slam them in too hard. On the other hand the 3 WS-MCR's I have seem to have very little trouble in that regard. I'm not much of a magazine slammer with any firearm though, so I mostly get by.
My buddy has a Siberian, he is nearing the 2000 round mark now. After reading this CFET report I'm interested in seeing his results. He's not going to cover it in dirt though.
The 1000 round session conducted by Mr Meat Shower was done immeditely after the gun was returned from warranty by BCL for the 2nd time. The gun had been cleaned by ourselves and was in ideal condition to shoot a mere 1k
The results from the dirt test were not counted towards the overall stoppage total. The gun was cleaned after the dirt test
Most shooting is conducted as 100 - 200 rounds at a time. Just range sessions, drills and so forth not big dumps. That being said the WK181 never had any issues from 1500 - 2000 rounds being put through it over 2 - 3 hours.
Magazine, feeding, light primer strikes etc are not heat related.
If you don't want your rifle compared to utility & military rifles then don't call it one it's that simple
Reminder: the Siberian underwent no different or harder testing than the WK181. It was not a torture test just an endurance test.
Make a better rifle and you'll get better results
The results from the dirt test were not counted towards the overall stoppage total. The gun was cleaned after the dirt test
Most shooting is conducted as 100 - 200 rounds at a time. Just range sessions, drills and so forth not big dumps. That being said the WK181 never had any issues from 1500 - 2000 rounds being put through it over 2 - 3 hours.
Magazine, feeding, light primer strikes etc are not heat related.
If you don't want your rifle compared to utility & military rifles then don't call it one it's that simple
Reminder: the Siberian underwent no different or harder testing than the WK181. It was not a torture test just an endurance test.
Make a better rifle and you'll get better results
