CFSAC, new matches

shortandlong said:
Dude! the story the way i heard it was ..... it came from much higher than our pay grade the fact is CFSAC is about doctrine, and yes even though everybody learns more about shooting at the 500 berm than any where else.

yes it sucks ........but all we can do is soldier on.

(but i would like to hear more about that story about a 800m engagement in the balkans against some a$$hole with a dragunov if anyone can tell me)
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sort of...

the doctrine issue was that 300m is the published max range of the weapon, why shoot farther in competition? The shooters disagreed obviously but in the end 400m was simply a compromise directed by the Colonel. I would not say this issue is permanent, shoot CFSAC this year and enjoy it. Make your best effort to continue to improve it with input from shooters. If it sux, say so, but encourage everybody to give it a fair chance. Change is constant and normal, lets work hard to make it good change.
 
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NavyShooter said:
Think smooth flow, with no feedback to the shooter between matches.

Load up your 72 rounds, shoot 5-7 stages with only 2 sighters at the start, with movers, snaps, rapids intermingled, and at the end, go into the butts for scoring.

Load given at the start of practice 1, unload and clear at the end of practice 6.

Smooth flow, very quick to shoot, emphasis on non-prone shooting.

More to follow when the official release happens.

NS
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About time CFSAC modernized and caught up with what's going on in the bigger picture (well a bit anyways). If this goes well I may have to think about changing my opinion on the matter.
 
shortandlong said:
I would its becoming more op focus'd
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Well let's not go that far yet. I do agree about the no sighters being a good thing,know your dope, if it is to be a competition then remove the crutches. You don't get sighters shooting at bad guys.
I would like to see the shooters go into the match without knowing the match layout,no published stages means no endless rehearsal time, show up be handed your score cards and shoot.
 
Reaper said:
Well let's not go that far yet. I do agree about the no sighters being a good thing,know your dope, if it is to be a competition then remove the crutches. You don't get sighters shooting at bad guys.
I would like to see the shooters go into the match without knowing the match layout,no published stages means no endless rehearsal time, show up be handed your score cards and shoot.
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Hardcore, I like it.
 
Reaper said:
Well let's not go that far yet. I do agree about the no sighters being a good thing,know your dope, if it is to be a competition then remove the crutches. You don't get sighters shooting at bad guys.
I would like to see the shooters go into the match without knowing the match layout,no published stages means no endless rehearsal time, show up be handed your score cards and shoot.
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Here in BC we only have sighters for deliberates. It saves time.

The logistics of a suprise course of fire and the efforts people would go to, to get an advance copy frightens me.

Still if there was a fool proof automated target system with scoring capability...........Fool proof being key.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Here in BC we only have sighters for deliberates. It saves time.

The logistics of a suprise course of fire and the efforts people would go to, to get an advance copy frightens me.

Still if there was a fool proof automated target system with scoring capability...........Fool proof being key.
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The Aussies have one of the best automatic systems I've ever seen. The detail on the operators system was amazing and accuracy seemed well within what you would need for Service rifle/LMG shooting under 600m including movers at 100m. They run their equivalent of the PWT on it which you may do in AASAM if they include it this year. Despite the system being quite new (15 years?), well maintained, etc it was not flawless. We experienced a few mechanical hiccups and operator errors but no more than if some new guy was working a target manually.

I would certainly be happy with their system if the range was not laid out like a sterile concrete flat range. Their transitional range has the same system but better target lay out (hidden field firing like positions with foliage etc), some varying "urban" type built up firing positions, etc but it was still totally static. It was a challenging range that forced you to practice hold-offs and hold-overs (all shooting from your combat zero) to keep up with the targets in a realistic (but static) scenario from 100-400m. If you can not judge wind, watch splash, judge distance, etc on the fly, you miss. No time to adjust scopes. I think you'll enjoy it when you go down, but its not perfect.
 
Reaper said:
Well let's not go that far yet. I do agree about the no sighters being a good thing,know your dope, if it is to be a competition then remove the crutches. You don't get sighters shooting at bad guys.
I would like to see the shooters go into the match without knowing the match layout,no published stages means no endless rehearsal time, show up be handed your score cards and shoot.
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preach the truth brother!
 
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