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Andy

Andy

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Based on some of what I've seen: :p

Overall Condition

MINT: Factory new, all original.

MINTY: Same as above, except for the scattered pitting.

GOOD FOR ITS AGE: NRA poor to horrible.

SHOWS HONEST USE: A piece of junk.

SHOWS WEAR & USE: What is not worn paper thin is missing or broken.

GOOD REPRESENTATIVE PIECE: Almost looks like a gun.

ROUGH CONDITION: The outline of this rustball looks like it might have been a gun.

LOTS OF ORIGINAL FINISH: Two screw heads show some blue.

SOME ORIGINAL FINISH: One screw head shows some blue.

SMOOTH WEAR: All checkering, edges & lettering gone.

NICE AGE PATINA: Solid coat of rust.

WILL CLEAN UP: Maybe with an industrial wire wheel.

ACTION NEEDS MINOR TUNING: Internal parts broken, missing and can never be made to function again.

NEEDS A LITTLE WORK: Springfield armory at it's peak couldn't repair it.

TIGHT: Amazing what a little epoxy glue can do.

SHOOTABLE: Only if you're suicidal.

NEEDS A LITTLE TIGHTENING: Only one or two major parts have fallen off.

MINOR REPLACEMENT PARTS: The frame & maybe the barrel are original.

HAIRLINE CRACK: Stock split in two pieces.

SMALL CHIP IN STOCK: Nothing supports the barrel.

SMALL WOOD REPAIR: Replaced stock.

MINOR BUMPS & DINGS: The gun has been used as a hammer for at least two generations.


Bore Condition

VERY GOOD BORE: Traces of rifling amid the pitting.

GOOD BORE: The pitting seems to form a pattern.

FAIR BORE: You can still see light through it.

POOR BORE: The dark at the end of the tunnel.
 
Great!
There is also "dark bore with strong rifling". ie, rifling visible through the rust and pitting.
 
Loooong over due.

It's one I think about when I see some of the descriptions on here. A dark bore with strong rifling, perhaps someone can chime in and explain this one as I see it used fairly often. NOW THIS ONE IS SCARRY,"I have not shot this gun and don't know much about them, price is X000, plus shipping". The problem with this type of add; should you ask any questions about the gun condition, the seller has a "security blanket" and can simply say, Well I don't know but it looks OK to me. These adds I avoid like a plague.
Bill
 
b72471 said:
It's one I think about when I see some of the descriptions on here. A dark bore with strong rifling, perhaps someone can chime in and explain this one as I see it used fairly often. NOW THIS ONE IS SCARRY,"I have not shot this gun and don't know much about them, price is X000, plus shipping". The problem with this type of add; should you ask any questions about the gun condition, the seller has a "security blanket" and can simply say, Well I don't know but it looks OK to me. These adds I avoid like a plague.
Bill
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I have posted that type of comment on rifles I sold, "but" it's because I really have not shot the rifle and cannot state to it's "accuracy". Anything else such as condition, etc.. I agree with you. Be wary.
 
The problem is, some sellers will use the above descriptions (like myself) and actually be honest about it. If a say the bore is dark with some pitting in the grooves, but sharp lands - it means exactly what it says.

If someone highlights a chip in the stock, sometimes it's just a chip.

For almost anything except bore condition (and sometimes even then if you are amazing with a camera), good pictures should clear up any misunderstanding. I usually state "the pics speak for themselves" - and I mean it.
 
lol, Ive bought several milurps off the EE and have never received anything not as stated but I can believe that some people do misrepresent. Which is sad.

My personal favourite is when numbers match but theres only one or two numbers.....or Epd numbers. lol
 
CanadianAR said:
I cant say i agree with you. A bolt mismatch is far better then mismatch.
And unless the bolt matches itself, no mention required.
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In case you didn't know, a mismatched bolt IS a mismatched rifle. And any other part (IE: Band, Extractor, Stock, Butt Plate, etc...) that doesn't match the receiver still makes it a Mismatched Rifle.

Those people that say "All Matching Except for the Bolt, but the Bolt Matches Itself" have a bolt that doesn't match the receiver, so it is just mismatched and they are rewording it to get a few extra $$$ by trying to trick the buyer.
 
Mauser bolts will have serials on the body, plug, safety, etc, so the bolt assembly can itself be matching. Of course, if the bolt number differs from the rifle number, the rifle is mismatched.
I find "forced matched" (renumbered) and "rearsenaled" particularly irritating. The thing wasn't "arsenaled" in the first place, so how could it be "rearsenaled"?
"For its age" is just a poor excuse for justifying reduced condition.
 
Right but there are degrees of mismatch. I understand its no longer fully matching, but alot of people value a bolt mismatch over total mismatch.
 
BANG ON ANDY! Excellent descriptions. Let me expand on one .
Nice bore with remote pitting should clean up but still shoots well.= Pitted bore that with a scrubbing of 20 grit paper will show a few shiny spots, when fired bullet will hit your 100 meter berm.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
In case you didn't know, a mismatched bolt IS a mismatched rifle. And any other part (IE: Band, Extractor, Stock, Butt Plate, etc...) that doesn't match the receiver still makes it a Mismatched Rifle.

Those people that say "All Matching Except for the Bolt, but the Bolt Matches Itself" have a bolt that doesn't match the receiver, so it is just mismatched and they are rewording it to get a few extra $$$ by trying to trick the buyer.
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All matching except for bolt is not misleading when you are talking about WW2 K98K's. Many vet bringbacks are that way as on surrender the bolts were removed from the rifles, thrown in one pile and the rifles were thrown in another. Soldiers wanting a souvenir simply picked up a rifle and inserted a bolt making no attempt to match them. Personally I think an all matching 98 except for the bolt is worth more and so does the market.
 
Mike Webb said:
All matching except for bolt is not misleading when you are talking about WW2 K98K's. Many vet bringbacks are that way as on surrender the bolts were removed from the rifles, thrown in one pile and the rifles were thrown in another. Soldiers wanting a souvenir simply picked up a rifle and inserted a bolt making no attempt to match them. Personally I think an all matching 98 except for the bolt is worth more and so does the market.
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Exactly where i was coming from!
 
No matter how you want to word it, essentially it all comes down to a checklist of how it left the factory and how it is now regarding each of the numbered parts.
 
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