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You are so far off base here it is embarassing. The CF pistols are a special run. Nobody is off loading inventory as you suggest. No they are selling the guns at cost plus I suspect something to cover there overhead. How much do you think Patra makes on a gun that retails for around a grand? From your posts you would think the profit on around 30 odd guns would cover most of the national debt! If you want one buy one if not why worry about it.

Take Care

Bob
 
greentips said:
I have had some talk with Para about sponsorship at CGN.

In a nutshell, they are not welling to invest any money in the local Canadian market becasue they don't think the cdn civilian market makes money for them.
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That is it in a nutshell exactly. That is also the reason they will never get a dime of my money. I have heard alot about Para's thought's on the canadian market. I will never understand why people on this site support them.:slap:

maka
 
Originally Posted by greentips
I have had some talk with Para about sponsorship at CGN.

In a nutshell, they are not welling to invest any money in the local Canadian market becasue they don't think the cdn civilian market makes money for them.

Given the amount of sponsorship Para is doing for the shooting sports in Canada I think a more appropriate conclusion in a nutshell would be, Para doesn't see any corporate value in advertising on this forum." I don't see any other manufacturers on this site either. Could be the other manufacturers have come to the same conclusion.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
You are so far off base here it is embarassing. The CF pistols are a special run. Nobody is off loading inventory as you suggest. No they are selling the guns at cost plus I suspect something to cover there overhead. How much do you think Patra makes on a gun that retails for around a grand? From your posts you would think the profit on around 30 odd guns would cover most of the national debt! If you want one buy one if not why worry about it.

Take Care

Bob
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Are you suggesting that Para is not making any profit on these guns? Have any facts to back up that claim?

Para may not be making enough profit to pay off the national debt, but even a small profit is better than no profit, so let's cut the BS. If gun makers did not care about "small profits", they wouldn't be selling guns to Canadians period. Or are they all doing it out if charity?

The way I see it, this is just a clever marketing move, not some sort of a favor to Canadian servicemen. Nothing wrong with clever marketing moves by the way.
 
I ordered my Para .45 and i'm damn happy with the price, hell, given the number of mags they include in the package, they can't be making much.
 
Canuck44 said:
Originally Posted by greentips
I have had some talk with Para about sponsorship at CGN.

In a nutshell, they are not welling to invest any money in the local Canadian market becasue they don't think the cdn civilian market makes money for them.

Given the amount of sponsorship Para is doing for the shooting sports in Canada I think a more appropriate conclusion in a nutshell would be, Para doesn't see any corporate value in advertising on this forum." I don't see any other manufacturers on this site either. Could be the other manufacturers have come to the same conclusion.

Take Care

Bob
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Personally I don't really care about whether Para sponsors CGN or not. it is their marketing decision :) I just think it will be nice to build some bridges between the "commoners " and a Canadian manufacturer, to show that they care. If they want to target match shooters only, it is their choice. If you want to have any discussion, I am happy to bring this to PM and give you the full story.
 
Marketing, sponsorship, free gun give aways, what ever it may be, I want nothing to do with Para until they fix their customer service, that is what really sucks. As a whole Para is not a great manufacturer to deal with.
 
Steve David said:
I want nothing to do with Para until they fix their customer service, that is what really sucks. As a whole Para is not a great manufacturer to deal with.
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This sums up my feelings on Para. My SSP isn't a 'bad' gun. It's been reliable and accurate but I needed to put aftermarket sights on it to correct the issue of it shooting low. The peening on my slide stop remains unresolved until it gets 'bad enough' to send it in for warranty 'repair' which will be to debur it. They'll replace the slide only if the gun is malfunctioning. Everytime I called Para I felt I was not taken seriously. With the gun shooting low I was told that I didn't know how to sight the pistol properly. :eek: With the peening issue I was told that it was 'normal' for the slide to peen after 200 rounds. :rolleyes: When I asked why my 20 year old Colt doesn't exhibit the 'normal' peening I got another Wedgie.......fill your boots but no CGN Para or any other Para for my stable--one is more than enough.

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misfire said:
This sums up my feelings on Para. My SSP isn't a 'bad' gun. It's been reliable and accurate but I needed to put aftermarket sights on it to correct the issue of it shooting low. The peening on my slide stop remains unresolved until it gets 'bad enough' to send it in for warranty 'repair' which will be to debur it. They'll replace the slide only if the gun is malfunctioning. Everytime I called Para I felt I was not taken seriously. With the gun shooting low I was told that I didn't know how to sight the pistol properly. :eek: With the peening issue I was told that it was 'normal' for the slide to peen after 200 rounds. :rolleyes: When I asked why my 20 year old Colt doesn't exhibit the 'normal' peening I got another Wedgie.......fill your boots but no CGN Para or any other Para for my stable--one is more than enough.

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That is unacceptable. It is to bad, it could be different, but Para still chooses to treat customers like this. Not for me, I owned 1 and will never ever buy another one, and before someone asks the question, yes I would take one if it was given to me, but I would sell it and buy a Kimber or a SA.
 
Gunnar told me he thinks it may be from using mags with to weak of mag spring (can anyone say Para mags). The mag follower doesn't push the slide stop fully up into the notch which results in the peening. I know my SSP exhibits the same peening but has been stopped by installing heaveir mag springs.

Still the peening issue is one in which Para should deal with and not ignore. Your SSP is not the first to exhibit the trait.

As an aside my SSP is the only Para where the peening occurred. My son has my P 14 Limited in stainless and it has never exhibited the peening on the slide. None of my other
1911's do this either.

Take Care

Bob
 
The Para's I've seen with peened slides are the SSP and LTC which are single stack 1911's. I've also read about peening at the slide stop on other Para models on various internet forums. They include the 6.45/7.45 LDA, Warthawg and P14. I'm not sure if these are single or double stackers...

I also learned that our US cousins seem to enjoy better customer service from Para then Canadians do. :mad:
 
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I don't think it's a mag problem. More likely, it's a steel problem. Para is the only manufacturer of 1911 pistols (with the possible exception of Armscor) that uses cast slides.
 
Wendell said:
Is that a fact? Did you do a poll or what?
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No, I did not do a poll, but I did some research on the subject. If you know of any 1911 not made by Para or Armscor (the latter includes RIA, Tanfoglio, and STI Spartan), let me know.
 
greentips said:
I have had some talk with Para about sponsorship at CGN.

In a nutshell, they are not welling to invest any money in the local Canadian market becasue they don't think the cdn civilian market makes money for them.
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If that is their attitude that is all I need to know about them.
 
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