Challenger Ammo?

[Win/64]

For once Win, I think you are right. Many not only want the cheap s**t, but whine and snivel and create many threads about the inferior quality of wally world bulk, the extraction problems with winchester 100 pacs and those dirty top guns. You get what you pay for. Challenger are very mid range in price and quality.

For once!! I'll have you know, I was right one other time too. Just can't remember when.

 

[Bold Badger]

You spelled "no" (know) wrong too.

 

[Win/64]

You have problems with quote tags don't you. Just like Covey Ridge.

 

[Claybuster]

Unfortunately it is not very fun to put the horse patoot as Col Potter used to say, in the right spot. "Just the Facts" ! One should always know them before speaking doogy doo or horse patoo!

Okay let's consider some facts. I've thrown in a few pictures to make it easier for you.

While Challenger and Kent both use Cheditte hulls (Challenger is also the agent for Cheditte and Cheditte is a partner in Challenger), the hulls used by both are nearly entirely different. Cheditte makes a large variation of hulls. The Kent are easily seen as of more luxurious plastic and higher brass.

Higher brass?

More luxurious? Two ribbed Cheddite hulls, both with 8 point crimps and the same brass height. Identical except for colour and markings.

They look the same inside too.

Any and every European shotshell company including Mary Arm which is the consumer product sold by , yes, Cheddite (my misspelling) has a wad that totaly encapsulates the shot.

Well does it cover the shot or almost cover the shot? Your posts aren't clear. Because here you say.

Open an 1 oz Challenger and you will see that the shotcup leaves a large portion of exposed lead that will be scrubbed in the bore. It makes a great spreader load. Now open the competition. There might be at the most, one row of lead that is not protected.

"One row of lead that is not protected" versus "totally encapsulates the shot." It's either one or the other.

I don't argue that the Challenger wads don't cover the entire shot column but I also don't believe it matters.

The facts are the facts!

It is very unfortunate that you may have a personal vendetta and no backup on real facts.

Well on one point we agree. The facts are the facts.

I do have a personal vendetta. Not against you specifically but against people who make statements and can't back them up.

Every picture tells a story.

 

[Win/64]

The facts are the facts!

It is very unfortunate that you may have a personal vendetta and no backup on real facts.

Your ignorance in some matters has greatly impacted your credebility.

Henry

Seems to me C.B. backed up his post quite well. It is you "Sir" that seem to be a little out of touch. Crow tastes quite good with a little Ketchup. Kinda like french fries..

 

[ninepointer]

sounds like your using a sabot in a smooth bore

Negative. The Challenger slug is a smoothbore slug. It works like a Foster-style slug; rotation is imparted by "fins" molded into the slug. It also has an attached wad intended to impart stability, much like the skirt on a badminton birdie. But it doesn't work well if the slug and wad fail to stay attached.

 

[1shotdown]

Negative. The Challenger slug is a smoothbore slug. It works like a Foster-style slug; rotation is imparted by "fins" molded into the slug. It also has an attached wad intended to impart stability, much like the skirt on a badminton birdie. But it doesn't work well if the slug and wad fail to stay attached.

I stand corrected then

 

[BCFred]

High brass may be a sign of quality as someone here has said. But it sure can gum up reloading by sticking in your sizing die. I bought a bunch of Fiocchi hulls with high brass and quit reloading them after one try. None of the brass in the pictures looks too high to me, however. How are these hulls for reloading? fred

 

[jayman]

Does challenger have a website? I've never been able to find one.

I've used steel challenger loads in the past for ducks and was very pleased with the results. I found they flew faster & patterned better than the high end stuff from other manufacturers I usually use.

 

[Claybuster]

Does challenger have a website?

http://www.munitionschallenger.com/english/our_comp_eng.html

 

[MauserMike]

Challenger smells like hores patoot and on a calm summer night last year created "smog" like I have never seen on a trap field. I'm sure it had something to do with the conditions that night but it was like we were shooting black powder trap. Me and the other guy shooting challengers were definitely contributing a lot more than the other shooters.

As for the cheapies, I've had the best luck with the Remington Gun Clubs. About 4000 bangs last year, no misfires of any kind. If I need Winchester AA quality ammo that will be the day I start rolling my own.

 

[doubleman]

One usualy gets what one pays for! Therefore, it does cost a little more for Kent Velocity than the Thrilling and regular Challenger loads. So they DO perform better but not as good as AA or Gold Medal! Pattern them, and you will see the difference. It won't make a difference on skeet, but it does at 27 yards and sporting targets.

The facts are the facts!

Your ignorance in some matters has greatly impacted your credebility.

Henry[/QUOTE]


Henry
Where in the he!! did you come up with the idea that challenger made an inferior product in comparision to federal or winchester? In regards to patterning I would love you to show me the difference as I have patterned every factory handicap target load on the market and will gladly choose a challenger shell first. I was a 27 yard shooter and used challenger shells always(I no longer shoot ATA). At our local club we have games/meat shoots that usually end with shoot offs from 40-50 yards behind the trap house and I can break those targets with handicap 7/1/2's no problem. The difference with challenger vs federal or winchester is the owner tests and develops all the ammo they sell and he won't sell it if its crap. He is not even making target loads right now because he can't make a profit vs the cheapo shells. The only reason the "27" yard shooters at ATA shoots don't use challenger shells is because there not promoted like the rest at the big shoots. In regards to getting what you pay for you will find challenger first class target loads cost as much as AA or gold medal ammo. I think you need to take a close look at what you are saying before you run down the only shotshell manufacting company in Canada.
Regards

 

[jayman]

Thanks Claybuster!