Challenging both exams soon, practical test details?

nabiul said:
While that may be true and he wants it probably for novelty proposes if not anything else, there is some consolation in the fact that he wants to keep it locked up at the range, although I'm not sure if the range that we want to join allows that.


Hey it's up to him to pass the test, I told him that he probably wouldn't if he challenges it.
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You're not filling us with confidence in your inquiries.:slap:

(And I don't see much in common between your Mattel piece and one of mine).
 
Thats my brother, not me, I don't bud into his business. And no one is asking you to have confidence in my inquiries; how safely I am able to handle my self will be up to the examiner to determine regardless of what you feel.


Well you couldn't see much of a smiliarity without consulting a parts diagram first, to assume otherwise would be pretty ignorant.

Differences that I can recall from the top of my head would be the lack of an extractor, bolt, fire control mechanism ( ie safety) and magazine. Most other parts are pretty similar to a ppk; (slide, recoil spring, barrel, slide catch, trigger guard take down mechanism, hammer, magazine release and I'm not too sure about the trigger.

It's also not made of pot metal, I was surprised by the quality of the cast steel frame and slide when I bought it, usually companies like crosman use some terrible zinc alloy.

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Of course the case may be that the real PPK differs from your particular handgun.
 
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when I did my my RPAL course, the hands on portion was pretty straight forward. They had several guns laid out on a table, tell you which action to pick up...ACT and PROVE...asked to see shotting stances for 1 and 2 hand...safe storage, ammo selection...etc...its pretty straight forward, and the examiner I had was very personable. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks doing it this monday right after my exams are finished. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
Electraglide said:
Possessing a restricted firearms license goes beyond "simple concepts." A well-run course will teach you far more than what you'll need to know to pass the practical exam: it will teach you about what's expected of you by the law and by more experienced firearms owners... at the range and in the field.

The difference between a firearm user who gets respect from his fellow shooters and one who doesn't is attitude. Demonstrate you have the right attitude by asking the right questions.

If you need help finding a good instructor, ask for it here. You'll get a better response than trying to find a short cut to the RPAL.
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Thats kind of ignorant of you to say. It seems like in most places now, a club level safety course is needed. So even if he is taking a "short cut," who cares because hes gonna have to learn eventually anyways and no club will take him if hes negligent.
 
c_diddy said:
+2. TAKE THE COURSE.
I thought I could challenge the test np, but when I did do the course, and then did the tests, I realised I never would've passed unless I did take it. They dont talk about stupid bs for two and a half days... theres a lot of ground to cover. It's a gun, not an ipod - and one should learn as much as they can about the safe and lawful operation of them.
Just my .02, good luck with the 4 tests on which you have to get 80% or higher to pass. POst back and let us know how you did, maybe you can prove me wrong but I doubt it.


ps - an "airgun" is a gun in appearance only and is akin to saying, I can drive a car np, Ive been playing video games for a long time...
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I challenged without taking any courses and I passed quite handily. A great deal of the practical is what I would consider common sense (perhaps a stricter version of common sense, with certain procedures like ACTS/PROVE thrown in, but common sense nonetheless) - combine that with a decent working knowledge of firearm basics and laws and you're on your way.

I'm not saying the courses offered aren't incredibly valuable/useful/sometimes entirely necessary, but they're not always entirely necessary either.
 
Course Instructors

As a Master Instructor in the CFSC and the CRFSC since the beginning (trained in 93 began teaching the courses in 94) just to clear up a few things:

Any Instructor cutting corners is cheating their students, and should have their status revolked. Instructors cannot shorten the course, each should be 10-12 hrs min. not counting testing time, unless the restricted is piggybacked on the N/R. If you received a shortened verson go get your money back and report the instructor to your Area Firearms Officer.

There is a script for the test, instructors should not being doing their own thing.
Minimum of 3 firearms tested for each practical test with the option of more if the instructor has any doubt in your abilities.

The 80% pass rate is too low ( how many mistakes can you make before your unsafe) but I always let people know if I would not feel safe shooting beside them (ie: get more training)
 
I completely forgot about this thread. I never got my exam done, the 'instructor' has been putting it off since december, rescheduling and giving me bs. A waste of my time, I decided to just get a refund from the guy the next time I see him.
 
David Mich said:
As a Master Instructor in the CFSC and the CRFSC since the beginning (trained in 93 began teaching the courses in 94) just to clear up a few things:

Any Instructor cutting corners is cheating their students, and should have their status revolked. Instructors cannot shorten the course, each should be 10-12 hrs min. not counting testing time, unless the restricted is piggybacked on the N/R. If you received a shortened verson go get your money back and report the instructor to your Area Firearms Officer.

There is a script for the test, instructors should not being doing their own thing.
Minimum of 3 firearms tested for each practical test with the option of more if the instructor has any doubt in your abilities.

The 80% pass rate is too low ( how many mistakes can you make before your unsafe) but I always let people know if I would not feel safe shooting beside them (ie: get more training)
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exactly. when i did the r portion there was only one other student in the class due to many not taking the second day r portion. The instructor said this is great and we can whip through it faster with only two students so i thought I would be out in no time. It still took the entire time alloted though cus the course is the course and what she meant was it will be faster for gun handling practice and less questions means less wasted time. I believe courses can run overtime if there are lots of students slowing it down, but thats okay by me too cus questions should be asked.
 
course

The course was originally designed at the grade 7 level (if I remember correctly)
It is not rocket scientist stuff.

A lot of people over complicate it.

-always assume loaded (even after ACTS and PROVE)
-Acts and Prove
-control Muzzle at all times
-trigger finger discipline
-always check all ammo for the correct head stamp.
-always check firearm for the correct ammo to be loaded
-know your firearms and how to use it.- ie: action type, safeties (use them), magazine type.
-unload so you know it is 100% empty ( then assume its loaded)

That is both courses in a nut shell!!

The CFSC and CRFSC are only your first courses in a lifetime of learning if you are going to be envolved in the shooting sports. Training is about attitude.
 
Always say what you are doing out loud.

I lost 2 points on the restricted practical because the instructor said I didn't do the checks on the semi-auto pistol before putting it back down on the table.

I did, but she was looking at the score sheet and missed it. I ended up with a 98% instead of 100%.
 
i was going to challenge but i decided to just go through with it. picked up a few more things and felt a lot more comfortable doing the practical but if you have lots of experience with every type of action its pretty easy
 
Id say challenge the test. Ive taken the course and wrote the test after, and I can honestly say that I could have challenged it and passed nooo problem. I scored a 100 percent on the written and a 98 percent on the practicial. It was all common sense stuff on the written. On the practicial he pretty much layed out the rules to me. I have had extensive firearm expierence before the course though, but even if I didnt, I could have read the book and passed.
 
Anyone can pass, take the course, its one of the few chances you may get to spend time with folks that shoot, in this sort of forum..
If ever your ability or actions are in question , you took the course , if not , well figure it out.;)
 
The best advice I can give you is to do it SLOW and keep a mental note of what you are doing.

For example, rehearse in your head with the ACT PROVE procedure without holding the physical firearm. Once you can do it in your head, you can do it physically.

Slow is also the key. You don't lose point for being slow so why rush?
 
Everyone keep in mind that this thread is from 6 months ago...I'm sure the OP has taken his course already.

To add my .02, I challenged the tests and did quite well. In fact I did BETTER on the restricted, which is quite odd since I had never held a pistol before that in my life (had several years experience with long guns though).

Guess I really did a good job studying the hell out of the CFSC/CRFSC manuals.
 
Well, I turned 18 took the test for both the restricted and non-restricted after about 3 days of reading. My scores were as follows:
non-restricted written 100%
non-restricted practical 94% (didn't check bore for obstruction)
restricted written 100%
restricted practical 100%
So don't go putting people down because they want to learn from the books.
 
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