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I have 2 Hodgdens books that state Min starting load for Win .270 is 54.5 and max load is 58 of H4831. I went to the web site to confirm and found they have a max load at 55.7 grains? I just loaded 8 rounds at 56gr, with 150 gr. Nos Partitions thinking max load was 58. I now wonder if I should fire these rounds? Do I go by the books, or the web site? Thanks in advance for any help! Cheers!
 
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Powders can change a bit over the years. The testing methods may also show that a safe load at one time may now be a little over the top.
Plus the powder makers may get a little more cautious.

I am not an expert but I always went by the accepted suggestion of starting at a load of the maximum reduced by 10% and work up from there.
56 grains is probably safe but why take a chance. I agree. Pull them & start over.
 
I have 2 Hodgdens books that state Min starting load for Win .270 is 54.5 and max load is 58. I went to the web site to confirm and found they have a max load at 55.7 grains? I just loaded 8 rounds at 56, thinking max load was 58. I now wonder if I should fire these rounds? Do I go by the books, or the web site? Thanks in advance for any help! Cheers!

Which Powder? With which bullet? - primer? - Case? A lot of variables here. If in doubt, err on the side of caution. Regards, Eagleye
 
I checked my 2007 Hodgdon book, and the Hodgdon web site....both say 52-55.7gr. for H4831 with 150gr. Nosler's. We dumped the powder on the one's we loaded at 56, and went to 54gr...OAL is 3.285". I would like to know why the same powder from an older Hogdon book say's min. grains at 52.5 and max at 58, now they say 52-55.7? First time I have noticed this.:confused:
 
I would like to know why the same powder from an older Hogdon book say's min. grains at 52.5 and max at 58, now they say 52-55.7? First time I have noticed this.:confused:

This is very common when you compare old data to new. The old way the powder companies developed loads was by looking for external hints such as bolt stiffness, brass expansion etc. to show when they had approached maximum loads. Today they use strain guages that have shown a lot of the older loads were on the "warm" side if not actually over the top. It is interesting to note however that a lot of ball powder loads have actually been increased in recent loading manuals.
 
I use older manuals a lot.
Always compare to more modern data.
A good number of powders from various manufacturers have changed their burning rates over the years. It's also true that testing methods for determining max loads have changed.
If the new load is less than the old load, always play safe.
 
Lighter loads now

I checked my 2007 Hodgdon book, and the Hodgdon web site....both say 52-55.7gr. for H4831 with 150gr. Nosler's. We dumped the powder on the one's we loaded at 56, and went to 54gr...OAL is 3.285". I would like to know why the same powder from an older Hogdon book say's min. grains at 52.5 and max at 58, now they say 52-55.7? First time I have noticed this.:confused:

It's called liability! Once the action of suing for huge amounts of money caught on, the loading companies suddenly decided to reduce their top loading data.
I have loading books from the mid 1960s and generally, their loads are heavier.
One variable not mentioned is the difference between rifles. I have two 30-06 rifles. One always shoots the same load about 75 fps slower than the other, but will not take (too high pressure) loads the other easily handles. A 77 Ruger in 243 will easily handle loads that are MUCH too high for a German made, high quality bolt action 243.
In my Sako L161 270, I found the 58 grains of 4831 you mention, as being a bit higher pressure with the 150 grain bullet, than I was comfortable with. As has been said so many times, work up your own loads. I sometimes take my loading outfit to the range to work up new loads. I always use the same brass cases over and over, increasing the charge by ½, or a grain, over the previous load that was OK, and if a primer suddenly seats with less pressure than it did the time before, I know that load is considerably too high. Yes, I look at all the other signs of pressure, like primers (poor indicators), or if the bolt tends to stick on opening, or, if the base of the brass case shows marks where it stayed in the chamber while the bolt face rotated a bit before the case came out. If any of those signs are present, you have an overload. But swelling of the primer pocket is a sure sign of a much too heavy load.
 
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"...just loaded 8 rounds at..." Just picking a load doesn't work. You have to work up the load.
Beginning with the starting load, load 5 rounds only. Go up by half a grain of powder, loading 5 of each keeping them separate until you get to the max load in your manual.
Then go shooting. Shoot at 100 yards, for group only, slowly and deliberately off a bench.
Change targets between strings of 5 and allow time for the barrel to cool.
When you find the best group, sight in.
 
And if you start tweaking variables like Seating depth, bullet profile, and whatnot, START OVER FROM THE STARTING CHARGE WEIGHT! I learned that one the hard way. Sad part was, that load was accurate and devastating as all hell. I just didn't want my rifle to go kablooie in my face.
 
Well we fired 10 rounds at 54 grains, and groups looked good. No signs of pressure, and very light recoil. I was sure glad I looked on the Hodgson web site to find the new min-max loads! We had 8 rounds loaded with the powder at 56gr, and just dumped them out and made our new loads at 54gr. All went well, just took some extra time to reload!
 
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