Charles Daly CA612 M4 Semi-Auto Shotgun 12ga 20" Non-Restricted

D3vin said:
Much advantage with inertia over gas or vice versa?
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Inertia systems are more forgiving/less feeding issues, etc. when comes to running with low-recoil ammo. It will operate with a wide range of ammo. With that in mind, high-pressure rounds will have more impact on the action, slightly more recoil, etc...
 
Not sure about linking to other sites, but the Canadaguns subreddit had someone do a pretty decent review of the CA612 and Canuck Operator. End result was that the CA612 looks to be a "clone-correct" copy of the M4 (no word on major parts fitting, but said it fit all the S&J Hardware upgrade parts) and had no issues cycling a variety of ammo.
 
Cilantro said:
Not sure about linking to other sites, but the Canadaguns subreddit had someone do a pretty decent review of the CA612 and Canuck Operator. End result was that the CA612 looks to be a "clone-correct" copy of the M4 (no word on major parts fitting, but said it fit all the S&J Hardware upgrade parts) and had no issues cycling a variety of ammo.
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It can't be a "clone correct" copy of the M4 because the M4 uses a gas-operated system and the CA612 uses an inertia operated system. They are quite different different operating systems. Perhaps they meant M2.
 
Cilantro said:
Not sure about linking to other sites, but the Canadaguns subreddit had someone do a pretty decent review of the CA612 and Canuck Operator. End result was that the CA612 looks to be a "clone-correct" copy of the M4 (no word on major parts fitting, but said it fit all the S&J Hardware upgrade parts) and had no issues cycling a variety of ammo.
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No problem linking to information about guns on this site, some hot links and links to non sponsers selling products that sponsors sell are frowned upon but sharing information about guns is sort of what CGN is.

If you go in the advanced setting you can de select the option to hot link and that way the entire link can be copied and pasted into a browser window without subtracting or adding missing parts... if you can't figure that out post the link in a broken format of your choosing.
 
1899 said:
It can't be a "clone correct" copy of the M4 because the M4 uses a gas-operated system and the CA612 uses an inertia operated system. They are quite different different operating systems. Perhaps they meant M2.
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I have one of these, definitely an M4 clone with the ARGO system. On CD's website they call it a 601 DPS. Bought it as a CA612 though.
 

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North_Sylva said:
We can assure you that these are not made from the same factory as other similar looking products from other manufacturers.

These guns are noticeably better put together in comparison to the competition and we would even suggest you to check it out yourself.
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I wouldn't mind checking on out in person as you suggest..... I must say though in the pictures you posted, the rear sight looks a bit ####-eyed.

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Can-down said:
I wouldn't mind checking on out in person as you suggest..... I must say though in the pictures you posted, the rear sight looks a bit ####-eyed.

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That was an issue on the Sulun Tac 12 from TWI. Makes me wonder if these are made by the same people if it does in fact have that issue.
I still haven't got mine back from warranty from TWI because there are no parts for it.
 
North_Sylva said:
We can assure you that these are not made from the same factory as other similar looking products from other manufacturers.

These guns are noticeably better put together in comparison to the competition and we would even suggest you to check it out yourself.
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Cheaper and better quality sounds good but the crooked rear sight on your showcase model looks about par for the course on a $700 M4 clone.

Regardless I will check one out in person at some point as you suggest.

Are there regular non pistol grip stocks available?
 
Z06corvette said:
I have one of these, definitely an M4 clone with the ARGO system. On CD's website they call it a 601 DPS. Bought it as a CA612 though.
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Really? On their website they say the CA612 is inertia:
https://www.charlesdaly.com/product.php?id=694

And the 601DPS is gas system:
https://www.charlesdaly.com/product.php?id=693


The CA612 is much lighter too, which makes sense if it is inertia: 6.7lbs vs 8.05lbs

Would like to hear from the importer. SKU number doesn’t match with anything on Charles Daly website.
 
You think that the expectation of being able to shoot a gun that you’ve bought properly isn’t realistic ? I’d expect some ragged machining, springs with burrs, a little looser, bad or non existent coatings etc. A sight like that is worse than just not benelli quality, it’s something that you can’t fix or work around.
 
vultr said:
I don't see a dent but maybe that's just me. Regarding the machining on the front sight, it's a 700 dollar turk clone. It you're expecting Benelli fit and finish I'm not sure your expectations are realistic
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I agree, people need to adjust their expectations despite the claims of the importer. It probably wouldn't take much to fix the rear sight ( hard to tell what the issue is) but it's one of those quality control things where you think.... so close.
 
Cilantro said:
Here's the reddit review link, and link directly to the imgur image gallery.

It looks like a) the system is 100% ARGO (see pistons, and vent holes in barrel, as well as no inertia spring behind bolt), and b) the sights look okay on that one.
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Thanks for the link, maybe the importer will weigh in and clarify what type of action this model they are selling has....

The Young Turks: Canuck Operator vs Charles Daly CA612 Review

Hey all, In my neverending quest to want a Benelli M4, but refuse to pay for a Benelli M4 I bought two of the popular Turkish "clones" to do a teardown and comparison. Images and details are in the imgur post below. Sorry I don't have a fancy website, but I don't really have the time or funds to review firearms full-time. Please keep in mind these are a sample size of one, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. imgur post

Quick Notes Externally, the Canuck Operator and the Charles Daly CA612 have similar finishes and exteriors; a matte black finish over all parts that looks good and seems to be of decent quality. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of cerakoat or other applied finish, as evidenced by one of the images in the review post. Both shotguns came with 5 chokes total, and a manual. The CD came in a small hard case (no locking points), while the Canuck only came in cardboard. The Canuck came with a magazine limiter, while the CD did not. The stock on my CD is a real pain to adjust, to the point where you can't really adjust it one or two spots. It requires such force that it's either all in or all out. I'll file off a smidge of the adjustment pin to make it a little smoother, but it was frustrating for me, hilarious for friends.

Internally, the Canuck has a nicer finish, more even chrome finish on the bolt, and more polish in it overall. The trigger was decent overall and the slightly larger bolt release button is a nice touch. The CD shows a lot of hand finishing certain parts, and the trigger can only be described as crunchy, stiff and noisy. Please note I did not clean these firearms before taking them out shooting, since I wanted the most even playing field between them. One thing about the Canuck is that the firing pin retaining pin setup is not the same as the Benelli. You can see from the images what I mean. I'm sure it's removable, but as this was going to a friend afterward I didn't want to risk having to get a replacement or delaying shooting (plus it's his problem now...).

Shooting Impressions I took out my crate of assorted 12ga ammo and ran boxes of 7 1/2 ultra light skeet, 6, 5, 4 loads (both 2.75 and 3"), as well as magnum bird loads, slugs and 00 buck. The CD ate all of it up, with no problems whatsoever. The Canuck had a few teething issues with the ultra light skeet loads, but after running a few boxes of the heavier stuff, it cycled and ran like a top. Interestingly, the recoil impulse on the lighter loads feels almost delayed for both guns. Recoil was manageable, the impulse was smooth and the crunchy trigger on the CD was really starting to smooth out by the end of the day.

Final Thoughts Both of these guns surprised me in a few ways. It's clear that the Canuck is Benelli M4-inspired, and that the CD is about as close to a clone as I've seen. The interior and parts on the Canuck are nicer finished, but teh fidelity of the CD (compared to an M4) is really surprising. Between the captive takedown pin, the sighting system, the firing pin retaining pin (even with the o-ring), the CD is an M4 clone. I already put on S&J Hardware jumbo safety, combat charging handle and bolt release bar, with no issues on any of these parts. Both of these guns are good to go, but if you need to hve the closest thing to an M4 possible, then do with the Charles Daly. Just cover up that damn text on the side of the gun....

Edit: Took a few pics of the bigg charging handle and bolt tab installed. I put electric tape so the tab won't mar the surface. It has nothing to do with that awful text on the side at all...

https://imgur.com/a/ivggx0R
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