Charles Lancaster 470NE

I have sent emails as well as pictures to the names people have suggested. I also have some ammunition and dies and hopefully a recipe that is suitable to this gun from previous owner.
Also been in contact with the Lancaster company to get information and authentication. I will do some more research.
Is there a site or place to get realistic values on guns such as these I have called a few places to get rough ideas. But would like to know what I would get out of it vs what I can put into it to not be upside down on something like this.
https://www.icollector.com/CHARLES-LANCASTER-GRADE-C-BOXLOCK-DANGEROUS-GAME-DOUBLE-RIFLE_i17331693

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/C-CHARLES-LANCASTER-GRADE-C-BOXLOCK-DANGEROUS-GAME-DOUBLE-RIFLE/lotInformation/50175951

Gives you a general idea. Beware of the dates of sale though
 
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That's a beautiful original example!

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The only way this wouldn't be a money losing project is
- You do most of the work yourself
- You have individuals who owe you favours, do the work for you
- Don't plan on selling it and will pass it on to your kids...

Politely I’d offer that’s likely the best way to make sure you do lose money, home jobbing a British best, unless he’s of an advanced workshop and skills. Home jobbing is for milsurp Mausers not .470 doubles in my small change.
 
Hi Mike

It is an almost unobtainable objective , but this is what in theory at least, is strived for.
Most of the time the bullets cross at a point.

Cheers

A double will for all intents and purposes never shoot parallel, said as a guy who’s regulated just one. You either have a point of convergence, or two distinct groups one from each barrel. Can’t have it all unfortunately.
 
Politely I’d offer that’s likely the best way to make sure you do lose money, home jobbing a British best, unless he’s of an advanced workshop and skills. Home jobbing is for milsurp Mausers not .470 doubles in my small change.

I guess I should have used the vintage car (sailboat) analogy... Unless you have the skills to do the work (and don't count your hour$)
- Restorations are seldom a money making venture. You do it for the "entertainment".

A 470NE-double is a niche firearm
 
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A double will for all intents and purposes never shoot parallel, said as a guy who’s regulated just one. You either have a point of convergence, or two distinct groups one from each barrel. Can’t have it all unfortunately.

Totally agree, all my double rifles converge, but like I said it is a lofty and theoretical goal to get those 2 bullets to shoot about the width of the wedge apart in perpetuity.
How often it is achieved is another matter entirely. I do have acquaintances that has guns that can achieved this to a distance of about 150 meters.
Mine and most other people's unfortunately does not.....
 
I guess I should have used the vintage car (sailboat) analogy... Unless you have the skills to do the work (and don't count your hour$)
- Restorations are seldom a money making venture. You do it for the "entertainment".

A 470NE-double is a niche firearm

Full heartedly agree, best path in my eyes follows my original post, just use it as is if it’s mechanically sound. You can easily spend more than you paid for it on a moderate restoration.
 
Totally agree, all my double rifles converge, but like I said it is a lofty and theoretical goal to get those 2 bullets to shoot about the width of the wedge apart in perpetuity.
How often it is achieved is another matter entirely. I do have acquaintances that has guns that can achieved this to a distance of about 150 meters.
Mine and most other people's unfortunately does not.....

I have never heard of one that will shoot two overlapping groups from 0-150. It’s just not in the cards for barrels that light, with that peculiar of harmonics being soldered to their neighbour.

Doubles shoot fruit groups. A pear is passable, a mandarin very good. Watermelons happen too.
 
Hahahaha.... speak to Redleg from the Africanhunting.com forum, you probably know him from there.
He often extols the long distance capabilities of some of his doubles.

I have never heard of one that will shoot two overlapping groups from 0-150. It’s just not in the cards for barrels that light, with that peculiar of harmonics being soldered to their neighbour.

Doubles shoot fruit groups. A pear is passable, a mandarin very good. Watermelons happen too.
 
I have sent emails as well as pictures to the names people have suggested. I also have some ammunition and dies and hopefully a recipe that is suitable to this gun from previous owner.
Also been in contact with the Lancaster company to get information and authentication. I will do some more research.
Is there a site or place to get realistic values on guns such as these I have called a few places to get rough ideas. But would like to know what I would get out of it vs what I can put into it to not be upside down on something like this.

If you ever get to the the point of thinking of using it or reloading for it get this book first.
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Hahahaha.... speak to Redleg from the Africanhunting.com forum, you probably know him from there.
He often extols the long distance capabilities of some of his doubles.

Oh, done it more than a few times, stretching a double’s legs. I hunted with doubles for a decade, and guided here in BC with them. They’re just two rifles soldered together and shoot long as well as anything, here’s a gemsbok I took in the Kalahari. We’re not discussing hitting at longer than typical range with a double, we’re talking regulation which is each barrel and where it shoots relative to the other at different distances. You can shoot far with double just as easily as a bolt action if you sight to the best barrel. You cannot expect the other barrel to land in the same area code however once well past the regulation point. That’s a factor fixed on the work bench in solder.

Doubles converge, then pass each other at some point in space. We all picture the lateral convergence, but there’s also a vertical factor as soldered barrels and harmonics contain a bit of voodoo. Typically this is between 50 and 100 yards. As you get to 150+, they’ll often be quite far apart and separating rapidly, especially with an old .470. They were typically regulated ‘danger close’ due to their job description, and with loads that aren’t easily replicated today. Expecting to have a century old .470 shoot parallel and tight to 150 yards is unfortunately a recipe for disappointment.

 
Oh, done it more than a few times, stretching a double’s legs. I hunted with doubles for a decade, and guided here in BC with them. They’re just two rifles soldered together and shoot long as well as anything, here’s a gemsbok I took in the Kalahari. We’re not discussing hitting at longer than typical range with a double, we’re talking regulation which is each barrel and where it shoots relative to the other at different distances. You can shoot far with double just as easily as a bolt action if you sight to the best barrel. You cannot expect the other barrel to land in the same area code however once well past the regulation point. That’s a factor fixed on the work bench in solder.

Doubles converge, then pass each other at some point in space. We all picture the lateral convergence, but there’s also a vertical factor as soldered barrels and harmonics contain a bit of voodoo. Typically this is between 50 and 100 yards. As you get to 150+, they’ll often be quite far apart and separating rapidly, especially with an old .470. They were typically regulated ‘danger close’ due to their job description, and with loads that aren’t easily replicated today. Expecting to have a century old .470 shoot parallel and tight to 150 yards is unfortunately a recipe for disappointment.


Nice shot on that gemsbok. That is my backyard. I am from South Africa , came to B.C about 12 years ago. I go back often to hunt and fish.
By the looks of it you are shooting a Merkel, probably in 375 .
If you are ever in the Okanagan and looking to shoot some doubles let me know.
Could be fun.
 
We have a bit in common, some of my dad’s side is still in RSA, and the doubles needless to say. :) Hunted that Gemsbok around the time you left.

You chose a great part of BC that must remind you of home in certain seasons. Sounds like you too find the double a far more useful tool than most imagine. Wasn’t even a heartstring thing for me, was simply a fantastic tool for the job. Took down in 5 seconds for transport in the pack, floatplane or riverboat… or the airline for that matter. Potent chamberings, short overall length, and I’m an instinctive shooter at close range and nothing points and clicks like a double. Good eye, that was my well used Merkel 140AE .375. Had a H&H Royal .375 Fl Mag at the same time for dress up occasions.

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Was up in Quesnel for about 10 years and then moved down South 2 years ago. I have drooled over that Holland of yours a few times in the last few years. Beautiful Grizz
 
You guys should start a thread on doubles!! I would love one… but it won’t happen!
 
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