I bought one and the first thing that entered my mind when I opened the box was, what the #### is this piece of crap, the grips are awful the frame is very small, its great for 38 special but to shoot the full load 357 its way too small and uncomfortable I sold it and bought a S&W 586 and the difference is unbelievable, the weight , the size, I can and do shoot full load 357 all day long, where as before it almost hurt and was no fun and if your gonna buy used you can get a nice S&W for maybe a $100 more than the charter taxes and shipping in! and for those who think o I will just change the grips on the charters arm, well good luck my friends I found a fairly decent wood set after a lengthy search and they still made the gun too small to hold