Chassis/Stock Recommendations. MDT TAC 21?

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So I have a Rem 700 SPS Tac AAC-SD in .308 on order and im looking for a chassis or stock to drop it into. I'm not gonna lie i love the look of the TAC 21 and was definitely leaning towards it. From what ive read it has the ergonomic feel of the AR which i love but this rifle is being built to hit gongs at a 1000 yards, and there seems to be very little information out there on this chassis's performance and the stuff that's out there says it either blows chunks or rocks sub MOA.

So which is it? Do any of you gun nutz have any experience with this stock using .308 and what can i expect from it realistically?

This will be my first precision build and i am budgeted for glass so dont worry about that, and this may be my only acquisition for the year so it needs to walk the walk and talk the talk.

I prefer the look of the TAC 21 but would something like the JAE 700 be worth it performance wise for the extra money?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks Guys
 
No reason to believe that the MDT wouldn't give you the performance that you are looking for.
 
I would go with the J Allen if you would like to clean the rifle without removing the rear stock which is a problem with all tube style guns. Not that the MDT is a true tube gun because it isn't. It uses a V Block bedding same as the J Allen and is not designed for glue in, but it does require the butt stock to be removed for cleaning.

The Elisio or MAK are true tub guns where the action is glued in. This serves to strengthen the action and is believed to improve accuracy over V Block systems. Tube guns are popular for F Class and Target competition but not much of a following in the tactical crowd.

If you do go with the JAE, make sure you get the cheek piece removal option so you can quickly remove it for cleaning.

I do hate to bash the MDT, but I just don't get it. It has the disadvantage of being hard to disassemble for cleaning without the accuracy advantage of a glue in that might make that inconvenience worth it. Unless you just want to look cool.
 
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I answered a similar email this morning...

A stock is the interface between the shooter and the barreled action. As long as it is rigid and strong enough to handle the recoil forces while maintaining action support, really doesn't matter what it looks like or how it is made.

So you buy a stock to fit YOU - includes your tastes, tasks, budget, and most importantly, your physical shape.

Weight for these chassis are all over the place but ingeneral, you aren't making any lightweight sheep rifles this way.

Some will have proprietory accessories, other rely on the massivie AR parts bin, some a combo of both.

Ultimately, it will not amount to a hill of beans if the stock and you can't get comfy. Yes, some very good quality stocks with superb heritage DO NOT fit me. Best to try as many as you can to find out what is best for you.

For the accuracy part, the barreled action and the ammo loaded hold the key to accuracy. BEDDING confirms the interface between stock and action. Properly bedded and supported, allows the action and barrel to do its thing BUT the best bedding in the world is not going to make a crappy barrel shoot bugholes.

There are precious few stocks of any make, model, shape or style that wouldn't benefit from proper bedding using a strong epoxy steel product. Tolerance are what they are and there is simply no way to get an interference fit every single time.

Drop in really means FALL IN. Using high action bolt torque IS NOT A SOLUTION to the problem. Arguably, it will make the problem worst.

So whether a $100 lam stock or a $5000 titantium wonder stock, they all have the same good and bad that any precision shooter must address. Some stocks just eliminate more of the tweaks we should all take care of.

As for the MDT Tac 21, it was designed for a tactical end user and it suits this role very well. It can easily be tweaked to reach higher levels of precision which is a bonus. Strength, durability, modularity, ease of accessories, ease of assembly were main criteria in the design. They did a great job and sales are growing ever stronger.

As always, decide what you want to do with your rifle, THEN figure out what parts will get the job done within your other parameters.

If peak precision, as in itty bitty groups, are the main priority, the most important purchase and the place to start is sourcing a top tier barrel. Then having a competent smith install. Then learn how to tune your ammo properly using match bullets - yes, this most certainly involves improving anyones shooting abilities.

The rest is window dressing to help you drive the metal parts.

Jerry
 
I own a tac 21 and love it, I have shot a XLR and it was okay, I have shot AX chassis and AICS chassis and they are okay, I have shot the Whiskey 3 from KRG and that will be my next purchase
 
BadAsMo said:
I would go with the J Allen if you would like to clean the rifle without removing the rear stock which is a problem with all tube style guns. Not that the MDT is a true tube gun because it isn't. It uses a V Block bedding same as the J Allen and is not designed for glue in, but it does require the butt stock to be removed for cleaning.

The Elisio or MAK are true tub guns where the action is glued in. This serves to strengthen the action and is believed to improve accuracy over V Block systems. Tube guns are popular for F Class and Target competition but not much of a following in the tactical crowd.

If you do go with the JAE, make sure you get the cheek piece removal option so you can quickly remove it for cleaning.

I do hate to bash the MDT, but I just don't get it. It has the disadvantage of being hard to disassemble for cleaning without the accuracy advantage of a glue in that might make that inconvenience worth it. Unless you just want to look cool.
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Maybe do some research on the MDT TAC-21 before you make your opinion................The TAC-21 is NOT a V-block chassis.............the receiver is machined as a "tube" to fit the action. You can glue in the action if you so desire.........

I found that with the MDT chassis the rifle recoils straight back with no muzzle rise due to the stock being straight inline with the bore............Several other well known chassis also require the stock be removed for cleaning/bolt removal.............

The stock on the TAC-21 is not difficult to remove for cleaning.............the 2nd Gen stock cap has a locking lever that lets you removed the stock rather easily...........
 
Skullboy said:

Maybe do some research on the MDT TAC-21 before you make your opinion................The TAC-21 is NOT a V-block chassis.............the receiver is machined as a "tube" to fit the action. You can glue in the action if you so desire.........

I found that with the MDT chassis the rifle recoils straight back with no muzzle rise due to the stock being straight inline with the bore............Several other well known chassis also require the stock be removed for cleaning/bolt removal.............

The stock on the TAC-21 is not difficult to remove for cleaning.............the 2nd Gen stock cap has a locking lever that lets you removed the stock rather easily...........
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I'm not to worried about the amount of time it takes to clean. From what ive read / watched online it doesn't seem to difficult to remove.

My only real concern is with how well it beds compared to other chassis's. Also if i can use additional bedding that makes my decision much easier
 
Antimatter said:
I'm not to worried about the amount of time it takes to clean. From what ive read / watched online it doesn't seem to difficult to remove.

My only real concern is with how well it beds compared to other chassis's. Also if i can use additional bedding that makes my decision much easier
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I didn't glue my action in and I have found my rifle shoots better compared to the AICS chassis I previously owned...............
 
Skullboy said:

Maybe do some research on the MDT TAC-21 before you make your opinion................The TAC-21 is NOT a V-block chassis.............the receiver is machined as a "tube" to fit the action. You can glue in the action if you so desire.........

I found that with the MDT chassis the rifle recoils straight back with no muzzle rise due to the stock being straight inline with the bore............Several other well known chassis also require the stock be removed for cleaning/bolt removal.............

The stock on the TAC-21 is not difficult to remove for cleaning.............the 2nd Gen stock cap has a locking lever that lets you removed the stock rather easily...........
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WOW, easy with the attitude Skullboy!!!! Too bad you are defending something when you don't have the facts!

This is a quote from the web site... http://mdttac.com/tac21-short-action.html

"The rifle receiver only makes contact with the TAC21™ chassis on the V shape bedding and recoil lug area insuring the best accuracy and repeatability."

So what am I missing here? V shape bedding!!! Real tube guns do not have V shaped bedding, they have a round hole so a thin even layer of epoxy hardens evenly all around to assist with the prevention of action deflection.

Clearly there is a following for this chassis and to each his own. I'm just of the opinion that people should make decisions with the facts, not just opinions, including my own.

The fact is that I have a tube gun and it is a pain to clean and sooner or later I will strip the threads that hold the butt stock on, but hey, I shoot a lot. With a more traditional stock, you do not need to remove the butt stock to clean it and that is a fact. If you ever have a real problem on the firing line during a match, removing the stock will eliminate you from the event. If you are a casual plinker maybe that doesn't matter to you. If you shoot a lot, keep it in mind before you buy.
 
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So shooters understand, with the MDT, the AR buffer tube and stock are attached to a cap with a locking lever.

When you want to clean, flip the lever, pull off the cap with stock as a complete unit. Extract the bolt and have at it. Personally, I would not bother with a bolt release on the trigger as the cap captures the bolt. Simple

It is no faster nor slower then many stocks where a comb has to be removed to get out the bolt.

There are no threads to strip or cross thread. In fact the cap is shaped so it goes on precisely the same every time.

extra caps are available so different stocks can be put on depending on "mission". This also applies to the forend.

It is modular and easy to swap out stuff.

Designed as a tactical stock, it has some shortcomings that competition shooters may not like. BUT the ergonomics and layout have pleased alot of end users.

Keep an eye out for some pretty cool industry announcements in the coming months.
Jerry
 
BadAsMo said:
WOW, easy with the attitude Skullboy!!!! Too bad you are defending something when you don't have the facts!

This is a quote from the web site... http://mdttac.com/tac21-short-action.html

"The rifle receiver only makes contact with the TAC21™ chassis on the V shape bedding and recoil lug area insuring the best accuracy and repeatability."

So what am I missing here? V shape bedding!!! Real tube guns do not have V shaped bedding, they have a round hole so a thin even layer of epoxy hardens evenly all around to assist with the prevention of action deflection.

Clearly there is a following for this chassis and to each his own. I'm just of the opinion that people should make decisions with the facts, not just opinions, including my own.

The fact is that I have a tube gun and it is a pain to clean and sooner or later I will strip the threads that hold the butt stock on, but hey, I shoot a lot. With a more traditional stock, you do not need to remove the butt stock to clean it and that is a fact. If you ever have a real problem on the firing line during a match, removing the stock will eliminate you from the event. If you are a casual plinker maybe that doesn't matter to you. If you shoot a lot, keep it in mind before you buy.
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I do have the facts.........It does not have V-shaped bedding..........I am guessing a mis-print on the web site...............the person who designed and makes the TAC-21 is a close personal friend, plus I helped with the design of the chassis, AND I actually have built and own one............So am I qualified to defend it??

I have a MDT TAC-21 chassis in my hands right at this moment and took a few pics of the receiver area...............guess what, ROUND hole for the receiver.......;)

Pics from both ends of the receiver section:

Recoil lug area -
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Stock end -

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Looking Inside -

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