Cheap Ammo w/ Great Accuracy?

I find that cci mini mags and federal American eagle sp are the two cheaper brands that shoot the smallest groups in my cheapie marlin xt22vr, the norm if I’m doing my part is between 3/4”-1/2” five shot groups. With better grade ammo things consistently tighten up and are closer to 1/2” or sometimes less. It’s mainly a rabbit hunting gun and it doubles as a training gun for me when at the range, so the accuracy I get out of it with cheap ammo is more than plenty for a sub $300 bolt action .22
 
Just a reminder for those who are telling readers what cycles in their rifles or what gives a few good groups: read the question.

My question is whether it's common or possible to shoot cheap ammo but achieve consistent great accuracy. I would define accurate as sub-MOA at 50y (0.50")

Consistent great accuracy of sub-MOA at 50 yards (about .500") is the requirement. Don't fool yourself into thinking that any ammo that can occasionally get a small group qualifies. Consistent sub-.500" groups at 50 yards are rarely shot with anything but good ammo and good ammo is not cheap. Even SK Rifle Match, which can often shoot sub-.500" groups, and occasionally some wonderfully small groups, is not such an ammo. It has occasional fliers that disqualify it from the consistent category. If someone wishes to change the requirement from consistent sub-.500" groups at 50 yards to "often shoots sub-MOA groups at 50 yards" then ammo like SK RM can be included.

As Manitou210 notes, ammo like SK RM can't be counted on to have a particularly small ES. He records its ES at 45 (or 49) which is hardly surprising. It is a relatively inexpensive target ammo. Even the best match ammo such as Midas + or Tenex can regularly have an ES of 30. It's less of a issue at 50 yards than it is at 100, but it goes to show that even less expensive ammo than SK RM can't be expected to perform much better.

I'd be surprised if the relatively inexpensive CCI SV can shoot sub-MOA at 50 yards consistently -- which is almost all the time. If it was that good, that consistent, more shooters would be using it for practice. It is only infrequently on successful challenges such as those on this forum for reasons of its limitations. As an aside, CCI SV often does not chamber well in rifles with a match chamber.

There's no magic bullet, literally or figuratively, that is both cheap and accurate. Cheap and occasionally accurate, yes. Consistently, no. If there was a cheap and consistent ammo I'd be more than pleased to use it as would countless other shooters, serious and otherwise, who are looking for the best accuracy and spending as little as possible on ammo at the same time.
 
So , would you say that five , 5 shot groups back to back all under .500 off a bipod is only occasionally accurate ? Seems like more then occasional to me . Maybe I just got extremely lucky that day or that my rifle is unusual in that it shoots this ammo well . I don't believe in luck . If it shoots it well , it shoots it well . I guess I better hang on to this rifle :) . Will Center X and the like do better . Yes . But , I think it's unfair to suggest that CCI SV simply can't do it because it clearly can ( in the right rifle ) .

2 years ago I watched a guy at the local range shooting a beat up CZ452 American ( thin barrel ) with a cheap scope on it shooting off a home made sand bag . He was shooting CCI SV that he bought at Canadian Tire and every group was a single ragged hole . Over and over and over and over . There were guys with Anschtuz 54's that were not doing that with better ammo . That day I learned to never assume anything . You never know .
 
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CCI Standard Velocity is as good as it gets for the cheap stuff

For the shooting I do in old Match Rifles like the Winchester 52 D or a Savage Model 19 NRA I use that
CCI Standard Velocity Code # 0032 , also . On a good day it can keep them all in a dime @ 50 yds .
So then,,,,,,,,,,, I bought the "New To Me" Sterling Cross ammo. @ 1130 f/s from Canada Ammo.
@ 1/2 the price of CCI code 0032 . At 50 yds. on the bench the S. Cross shot as good or better than
the CCI # 0032. So I bought 3 cases . With that performance & $30. / Brick how can you go wrong ????
BTW the S. Cross has the same "A" headstamp as Aguila ammo. & has the same vel. as Aguila , 1130 f/s .
 
Just because you can shoot the occasional 5-shot 0.5" group at 50y with a certain kind of ammo doesn't mean much. In most cases, inexpensive ammo can shoot the occasional 0.5" group. I don't consider any brand 1MOA capable until I can shoot at least 2 10-round groups within 0.5". It's a real eye opener that even match ammo has a hard time achieving this unless you start with a decent rifle/scope combination and not just a plinker gun. The best approach it to just try a variety of brands and see which one meets your minimum criteria.

Well, pardon me.
 
Most of the shooters in 1/2" challenge post what they are using.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...s-at-50-yards-meters-all-day!-Really-Prove-it!

Only 1600 posts to sort through though..... Maybe use the "search thread" tool.

For anyone that is interested, I actually took the time to quickly flip through all 167 pages.

There are 187 successful entries by 78 people.

Top 11 List of Ammo Used (missing 7 entries that I didn't see)
Lapua Center-X - 42
SK Standard Plus - 28
SK Rifle Match - 24
Eley Match - 12
Eley Tenex - 9
Lapua Midas+ - 9
Eley Sport - 6
SK Biathlon Sport - 5
Eley Club - 4
Lapua Polar Biathlon - 3
CCI Standard Velocity - 3

The cheapest ammo used were CCI Standard Velocity (three times), CCI Mini-Mag 36g CPHP, Federal Game-Shok, and CCI AR Tactical.

And for the curious, the most common brand of rifle used was Anschutz (59) then CZ (37). Glenn (Grauhanen) is only on there 40 times of the 187.

Google Sheets for anyone who wants to sort it themselves: Here
 
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So , would you say that five , 5 shot groups back to back all under .500 off a bipod is only occasionally accurate ? Seems like more then occasional to me . Maybe I just got extremely lucky that day or that my rifle is unusual in that it shoots this ammo well . I don't believe in luck . If it shoots it well , it shoots it well . I guess I better hang on to this rifle :) . Will Center X and the like do better . Yes . But , I think it's unfair to suggest that CCI SV simply can't do it because it clearly can ( in the right rifle ) .

2 years ago I watched a guy at the local range shooting a beat up CZ452 American ( thin barrel ) with a cheap scope on it shooting off a home made sand bag . He was shooting CCI SV that he bought at Canadian Tire and every group was a single ragged hole . Over and over and over and over . There were guys with Anschtuz 54's that were not doing that with better ammo . That day I learned to never assume anything . You never know .

Never assume anything. (And like Chef said, never get off the damn boat on the Nùng River.)

Back to assumptions. Never assume that all lots of ammo, even the inexpensive CCI SV, will shoot the same. Perhaps you have a very good lot of CCI SV. It may well be unreasonable to expect that you can shoot CCI SV with your rifle with the same results all the time. I've shot a lot of five sub-.500" five-shot-groups with SK Standard Plus, but it won't do it consistently. In addition, never assume that other MPR's will shoot the same ammo to the same results. Finally, readers should be cautious and never assume that stories about the guy at the range who did miraculous things like outshooting guys with Anschutz 54's with nothing but an old rifle, a cheap scope and cheap ammo are anything but apocryphal.
 
As the OP stated, cheap ammo / great accuracy . I think there are several brands of ammo that fit that description . If you feel the need to buy Eley Match at $20 per box and beyond to get "consistent accuracy" , rock on . Not everyone can afford or has the desire to do that . I for one am perfectly happy paying $2.99 a box of CCI SV and shooting .500 groups and having a blast . We are not in a national competition every time we go to the range to shoot and have fun . For the days that I want to do my absolute best , sure , I dig out the "better" stuff . But , you definitely do not NEED to do this to shoot with very respectable accuracy .

As I've said , I don't assume anything . I don't assume Center X will always provide perfectly predictable results and I also don't assume that lower cost target ammo will always be crap . Again , cheap ammo / great accuracy . You decide how deep your pockets are :}
 
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I'm going to hijack this thread a little. I also used to find CCI standard velocity great value/ performance, but I haven't been shooting much in the last 10 years or so. I just retired and, hoping to get back into it a bit more, bought a case of CCI standard. Yesterday I was reading on Rimfire Central, and many posters there are saying that the current CCI standard is very poor quality and not worth buying. Has anyone here found that? I haven't tried my recently purchased CCI, has there been a change in quality/ performance?
 
As the OP stated, cheap ammo / great accuracy . I think there are several brands of ammo that fit that description . If you feel the need to buy Eley Match at $20 per box and beyond to get "consistent accuracy" , rock on . Not everyone can afford or has the desire to do that . I for one am perfectly happy paying $2.99 a box of CCI SV and shooting .500 groups and having a blast . We are not in a national competition every time we go to the range to shoot and have fun . For the days that I want to do my absolute best , sure , I dig out the "better" stuff . But , you definitely do not NEED to do this to shoot with very respectable accuracy .

As I've said , I don't assume anything . I don't assume Center X will always provide perfectly predictable results and I also don't assume that lower cost target ammo will always be crap . Again , cheap ammo / great accuracy . You decide how deep your pockets are :}

You are quite right that no one can assume that any ammo will provide predictable results -- even ammo more expensive than Center X. The price of the ammo is no guarantee of its performance. Less expensive ammo that can do well is always a welcome find. There are a lot of good reasons to shoot this kind of ammo, cost being an important one that no one can ignore.

At the same time the characterization that the OP simply wanted "cheap ammo / great accuracy" is incomplete and therefore somewhat misleading. He said "cheap ammo but achieve consistent great accuracy." Consistently great accuracy is more demanding than the episodes of great accuracy that can be provided by less expensive ammo. Readers should not think the difference is irrelevant.
 
I've tried the "new" CCI SV but not in sufficient quantities to form any sort of conclusions with my rifles . It weighted the same as the old , had the same rim thickness as the old and seemed to shoot ok . I think differences could very well be simply the differences in lot numbers , which effect all rimfire ammo . I've read the concerns posted on RFC and maybe there is something to it . Maybe not though . I've got a reasonable amount of the old CCI SV so I have no reason to buy any of the new for a while . I think testing in YOUR rifle will be the only thing that really matters .
 
For me the cheapest 22LR that i have had luck with shooting accurately has been the winchester 555 pack i have not seen a reason to change from that at all.
 
First off I want to say 1/2” is not a sure thing. Even with a good gun,ammo,rest combination. I’ve shot lots of small groups but 5-5rd groups on same target takes a lot of consistency. If you or the gun are not up to it ammo might not make that much difference.
Just reread this sounds kind of negative. It can and in fact is, lots of fun to ring out all you can with what you have. Good luck
 
What do those comparisons ultimately show?

Oh, oh, oh!! Pick me! Pick me! They show what that rifle, with those lots of ammo, under the atmospheric conditions of the day (indoors) were capable of at that moment in time. They offer very little in transferable data towards anyone else's rifle, even if they were able to acquire the same lots of ammo. The testers stated no effort was made to tune the rifle for any of the tested ammo, thereby invalidating some poorer results generated with "high quality/expensive" ammo. A yet untested variable for those is tuning, results may have been able to have been significantly improved. One can therefore infer (and confirm through their own testing), that cost of ammo can, at times, have little bearing on the results generated, particularly if one is making no effort to use a tuner.

I've shot nearly every variety of the highest end match ammo, and several lots of each. I've never come across a lot/variety yet that has never produced a group or a few in excess of 1/2" at 50 yards, over the course of shooting the brick or two that I bought of that ammo. I can confidently state that good lots of SK ammo, for a mid-level price, will produce the majority of their groups sub 1/2", and my best luck has been with Biathlon Sport for the last two lots of it I've received. If 20 groups in a row sub 1/2" (none of them in the 0.4's) aren't considered "consistent", then I have lost my patience for dealing with pedants. Ehh... not trolling for an argument here, and no, not every single group of SK Biathlon I've ever shot has been sub 1/2", those couple outliers don't disqualify it from being considered "consistent", though.



Also with another rifle, pencil barreled Walther KKJ-T, 10 in a row sub 1/2"



First off I want to say 1/2” is not a sure thing. Even with a good gun,ammo,rest combination. I’ve shot lots of small groups but 5-5rd groups on same target takes a lot of consistency. If you or the gun are not up to it ammo might not make that much difference.
Just reread this sounds kind of negative. It can and in fact is, lots of fun to ring out all you can with what you have. Good luck

5X5 1/2" at 50 yards is easy. So easy to shoot, it is boring. The challenge is not in the execution of the shooting performance, but in getting the rifle/ammo up to the task. A key component of rimfire accuracy is appropriate use of a tuner. I shake my head every time I attempt to shoot a naked barrel rifle for accuracy anymore these days. To further complicate matters, I have little faith in the quality of factory made barrels (as even a couple Anschütz made barrels I've had were not satisfactory). I see far too many people falsely place blame upon themselves, while lacking the technical know-how to determine it is actually the rifle (barrel) at fault. Or, they are simply not versed in testing a wide variety of ammo and utilizing tricks such as shimming/pressure bedding the barrel to get it to perform well without a tuner.

Here is 40 in a row sub 1/2", with 3 varieties of ammo, and two lots of one variety.



Here's another 20 in a row



19 in a row (different rifle)



1/2" ain't no thang.

Best cheap ammo I've found is BBM High Velocity, made by RWS (and presumably just rebranded RWS Semi-Auto).





There's 38/40 groups sub 1/2" at 50 yards for $4.99/box/50. I challenge everyone to produce a better performance-cost ratio. Of course, YMMV with this ammo. I have a high quality Lilja barrel and use a tuner, you might have a good barrel but if it ain't tuned, who knows if it'll shoot this ammo naked.
 
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