Cheap Nazi Guns?

The beauty of German guns is they're covered in tons of markings that will tell the story... Some say they list the war because they were too busy stamping things and keeping records while the Americans were banging out Garands as fast as they could!
 
plugin said:
I just really would want one good condition k98 thats not fake with the swastika stamp in tact so I can save it for years and years :)
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An all original Nazi K98k in excellent condition with full markings that you can treasure for years and years?

And you were worried about spending over 4digits?
 
Chuck3436 said:
An all original Nazi K98k in excellent condition with full markings that you can treasure for years and years?

And you were worried about spending over 4digits?
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I would only worry about the condition of the swastika and eagle on it, the rifle can have markings and whatnot elsewhere, I have no issue with that.
 
If the Dirty Bird is all you seek there may be a budget option... Some of the Russian captures still have Swasis that weren't peened. Dig through a pile at a local store and maybe you'll find gold...
 
Phat Eagle said:
Absolutely stamped. That's a classic Heer acceptance stamp.
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Stamped for sure as you say. But thats not a "classic Heer acceptance stamp" Has nothing to do with Heer.
A heer acceptance would be an eagle over an H on the stock.

That is the standard nazi firing proof. Or in german Beschuss stempel


Finding a nice russian capture with good markings will be easy.
 
student of history said:
A lot of people assume that the WWII era firearms they're currently purchasing will be worth a hefty sum down the road but it's very difficult to say what the future truly has in store. Being a young collector I've pondered this subject many times and have concluded that the items will probably only hold their value if there's still an interest in them. Look at American Civil War items for example - the bottom has completely fallen out of that market. I feel as though this occurred for two main reasons. The first being that the next generation of collectors didn't pick up where the older generation left off and the second being that Confederate items became so heavily faked that people stopped buying them all together. I wouldn't be surprised if German militaria from WWII ended up in the same boat down the road as it's already very risky to purchase certain SS items.

Another factor that needs to be considered is the fiscal aspect of collecting. In recent years the value of certain items has increased exponentially. There are a number of people on this forum that probably remember purchasing matching K98s for $300 back in the early 80s but they presently can't really be touched in Canada for under $2K (provided that the person you're buying from knows what they have). If you look at the figures, the prices of these items have nearly hextupled in the last few decades. If these trends continue a matching K98 would theoretically be going for around $12K by 2045. The only problem with that theory is... who the hell's going to be able to afford them? Realistically, I think that the gents who started collecting in the 70s/80s are the ones who have been able to cash in on their initial investments but I'm betting that the market will eventually stagnate leaving younger collectors like you or I stuck with certain items that we thought would be worth a lot more then they actually turned out to be. For this reason, I collect because it genuinely gives me great pleasure to preserve history .... but am not banking on some kind of fantastic fiscal return on my investments down the road.

Plus... who knows if we'll even be permitted to own firearms in here in Canada in 40-50 years. Unlike our southern neighbours, we don't have any clauses in our constitution that entrench the ownership of firearms as a right so this leaves the future of our hobby on pretty uncertain ground if you asked me...

- Chris
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I do agree with you on this view. However your comparison to the American civil war might not be the best. That war mainly would have Americans interested as far as collecting. Don't see many museums or monuments of that outside of the states. While still big. Nothing compared to WWII. With being more of a global war. There will be a lot more interest in the items of that period. Not to mention the things that happened with the holocaust and such. Also the amount of museums and other displays will help keep more people interested. I guess just saying it affected a lot more people and many countries over the world. Where as yes american civil war did effect a lot of things after. It still only was an American war. So will probably hold interest longer for collectors.
 
mxzx440 said:
I do agree with you on this view. However your comparison to the American civil war might not be the best. That war mainly would have Americans interested as far as collecting. Don't see many museums or monuments of that outside of the states. While still big. Nothing compared to WWII. With being more of a global war. There will be a lot more interest in the items of that period. Not to mention the things that happened with the holocaust and such. Also the amount of museums and other displays will help keep more people interested. I guess just saying it affected a lot more people and many countries over the world. Where as yes american civil war did effect a lot of things after. It still only was an American war. So will probably hold interest longer for collectors.
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You've got some good points but it's it a little different. We may not have the bottom fall out due to disinterest, gun laws could become more restricted, etcetc. Making non gun ww2 items still viable but not guns. That's why we have cheap soviet stuff, a bull#### lawn prevents them from entering the USA or else they would be $600+

Re k98k proofing.
All k98k rifles built under the third reach used the same firing proof. Well early ones used wear style then the nazi style. There were variations but nothing changed between branches.
Pre 42 you could find different acceptances for army eagle/H, army, navy eagle/M , kreigs marine. and Air Force, eagle/L, luftwaffe. But these all stamped into the side of the butt.
The only specific firing proof there was is something called a Liftamt, which a firing proof from a luftwaffe depot, but quite uncommon. Haven't seen one in canada yet.
 
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Well that's enough internet for today. Most of the OP's posts have given me some sort of cancer and posts from others on here are just as bad. "Nazi guns" "engravings" "heer stamps" "only an american War"

I have never advocated for buying books and gaining base knowledge before posting in the Milsurp forum so much in my life.
 
Recce21 said:
Well that's enough internet for today. Most of the OP's posts have given me some sort of cancer and posts from others on here are just as bad. "Nazi guns" "engravings" "heer stamps" "only an american War"

I have never advocated for buying books and gaining base knowledge before posting in the Milsurp forum so much in my life.
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So have you ordered Karabiner and Kreigsmodell yet?
 
If it was only for a wallhanger, I could have hooked you up, lol.
We've a burnt up fully waffenampt'd matching Mauser at the ranch, but it's quite obviously not shoot able. If it was it'd be well in excess of 700 $, is that about right folks?
 
tacfoley said:
Not strictly true, Sir. Supporting the interests of the Confederacy made my family here in UK into paupers when it went tits-up, and we were not the only ones by a long chalk.

tac
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Not saying other countries weren't supporting one side or the other. Or other nationalities weren't fighting. (Irish just for example). But really it was an American matter.
 
And Backbone of the Wehrmacht, Hitlers Garands, Devils Paintbrush, Mauser Smallbore Trainers, Blitzkreig MP40's, The MP40 Submachine Gun, Skennertons Enfield Book, Desperate Measures,Weavers book on plastics Kunststoffe. I have them all. Any I missed?
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So have you ordered Karabiner and Kreigsmodell yet?
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mxzx440 said:
I do agree with you on this view. However your comparison to the American civil war might not be the best. That war mainly would have Americans interested as far as collecting. Don't see many museums or monuments of that outside of the states.
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Your points are fair but I don't think my comparison wasn't as farfetched as you think. I was not referring to the popularity of American Civil War items in the global context. If you take a look directly at the US market you'll see that the prices of these items have taken a huge nosedive. Like I said previously, this probably occurred because the items were faked to the point where it became dangerous to purchase them so the torch was not passed from one generation of collectors to the next. Another thing to think about is that as time passes, it sometimes becomes harder for people to relate to certain periods of history which results in a loss of interest.

For example, I currently volunteer at a local WWII veteran's hospital... As a younger collector this has really sparked my interest in the Second World War because I have been given the opportunity (every week) to sit down with the gentlemen who physically lived through the conflict and directly ask them questions. Unfortunately though, these men will not be around forever so in 30 years from now whoever is collecting won't have this luxury. Taking it one step further, I believe that having a personal family connection is another major contributing factor which prompts a lot of people to collect. For instance, if your father or grandfather was involved in the conflict you're likely more apt to get into collecting because you have/had a physically connection with that person but in cases like the American Civil War even if you had a family member who was involved they'd likely be a great-great-great grandfather/uncle that you may not even have a picture of. With this factor of detachment in mind I really do feel as though the future of collecting is uncertain. We can speculate all we want but the fact of the matter is that we just don't know what the future has in store.

On another note I'll quickly say that sgt_hebert made a very good point regarding inflation which rebutted my initial comment. According to the Bank of Canada's inflation calculator $300 in 1980 is the equivalent of $889.36 in 2015. So prices have gone up but maybe not 6-7 times like I initially claimed.

Oh and I do apologize for getting off topic - my intent was not to derail this thread... but at this point we're kind of beating a dead horse. The consensus is that the OP should just wait for a nice Russian captured K98 with the firing proofs still intact if he's on a budget.

- Chris
 
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