Cheap vs Expensive Rifle

A rifle can very much be a work of functional art as much as a shotgun.

OTOH .... both can be utility grade as required.
I agree. I'll always appreciate the finer things in life but for me I can make due with ugly rifles if they're accurate.
My 3 chassis style rifle set ups will never look near as good as my custom wood stocked rifle.
Stevens 200 and baikal double rifle find home in my gun room. Functional but not pretty.

The savage axis is too ugly for me so I guess there is a line lol. They do generally shoot well though
 
I probably won't ever own a truly expensive rifle. Maybe if I sold all mine off I could buy one but then I'd wish I had them back. There are some on that list already. I've been able to try most of the ones that interest me and that's enough. It's great when a rifle satisfies us no matter the cost.
 
I'd like a bespoke double rifle one day and a custom stalking rifle in 275 Rigby. Although I'm putting money towards that goal it won't be till after my house is paid off and a new truck before I can seriously set money aside
Until then my baikal double rifle and Sauer 100 will fill those roles
It's hard to sell of 15 or 20 guns to buy 1. Although I could do it a couple times over I know I'd miss the variety
 
I'd like a bespoke double rifle one day and a custom stalking rifle in 275 Rigby. Although I'm putting money towards that goal it won't be till after my house is paid off and a new truck before I can seriously set money aside
The best thing to do is start buying all the parts and get them together for the eventual project. BTDT. :)
 
I'd like a bespoke double rifle one day and a custom stalking rifle in 275 Rigby. Although I'm putting money towards that goal it won't be till after my house is paid off and a new truck before I can seriously set money aside
Until then my baikal double rifle and Sauer 100 will fill those roles
It's hard to sell of 15 or 20 guns to buy 1. Although I could do it a couple times over I know I'd miss the variety
I had 40+ firearms when I retired, and when I walked into my gun room, and went down the racks, I realized that I was using less than half of them on a regular basis.I picked out the ones that I really wanted to keep, and then took the other 30+ firearms to Prophet River, and put them on consignment .in a couple of months, they had all sold , and I replaced those 30+ firearms with 7 firearms that I really wanted, and spent most of the balance on shotshells and loading supplies. The replacements varied from around $5k to $30k new, but most were purchased used for considerably less, so nothing extremely expensive , but still some very nice firearms. Now I have less than half the number of firearms, but I use them all regularly, and I enjoy them more.
 
I had 40+ firearms when I retired, and when I walked into my gun room, and went down the racks, I realized that I was using less than half of them on a regular basis.I picked out the ones that I really wanted to keep, and then took the other 30+ firearms to Prophet River, and put them on consignment .in a couple of months, they had all sold , and I replaced those 30+ firearms with 7 firearms that I really wanted, and spent most of the balance on shotshells and loading supplies. The replacements varied from around $5k to $30k new, but most were purchased used for considerably less, so nothing extremely expensive , but still some very nice firearms. Now I have less than half the number of firearms, but I use them all regularly, and I enjoy them more.
Ya I've been meaning to do it just been procrastinating. I did sell off a bunch of doubles and all but 1 1911 before the world turned dim
I still have some cheaper doubles but I enjoy shooting them even if it's not often
 
Ya I've been meaning to do it just been procrastinating. I did sell off a bunch of doubles and all but 1 1911 before the world turned dim
I still have some cheaper doubles but I enjoy shooting them even if it's not often
I had one full custom rifle made, bought a couple of higher end factory rifles, upgraded my O/U clays shotguns to Kreighoff and Blaser, and upgraded my SxS upland shotguns to Grulla SxS shotguns. My clays guns are used around 100 days per year, and my SxS shotguns 20-30 days every fall, so they see the most use. My Vudoo 22 gets used every couple of weeks, so my most used rifle, and my varmint guns get used maybe a dozen days per year. I only kept one handgun, just so I have one.
 
I had 40+ firearms when I retired, and when I walked into my gun room, and went down the racks, I realized that I was using less than half of them on a regular basis.I picked out the ones that I really wanted to keep, and then took the other 30+ firearms to Prophet River, and put them on consignment .in a couple of months, they had all sold , and I replaced those 30+ firearms with 7 firearms that I really wanted, and spent most of the balance on shotshells and loading supplies. The replacements varied from around $5k to $30k new, but most were purchased used for considerably less, so nothing extremely expensive , but still some very nice firearms. Now I have less than half the number of firearms, but I use them all regularly, and I enjoy them more.
Really good to hear your experience. I have a small group of firearms comparatively but I do wonder if a couple could go toward something nice. Haven't found the resolve yet
 
I have a good mix of both but not a lot in total. For rifles it's a faux Rigby Stalker in 275 right down to a Savage Model 11 in 223 and a good variety in between.

The same goes for shotguns.
 
I have a cabinet full of Remington 788s that outshoot just about everything I could buy for 3 times the cost.
I can buy 3-4 788s for the price of Benelli and it still wouldn't outshoot them.
That's the problem with rifles. Are you Hunter or a fanboy.
I'm a hunter so having some pretty thing in the cabinet makes no sense for me.
I can take them to the deer woods without any concern about bumps and bruises and hit a 1/2 dollar at 100yds.
 
I'd like a bespoke double rifle one day and a custom stalking rifle in 275 Rigby. Although I'm putting money towards that goal it won't be till after my house is paid off and a new truck before I can seriously set money aside
Until then my baikal double rifle and Sauer 100 will fill those roles
It's hard to sell of 15 or 20 guns to buy 1. Although I could do it a couple times over I know I'd miss the variety
Well I did something like that when i ordered my Bradshaw rotary action, took 2 years to get here, went to the range once and the rifle is going back to him for a few reasons…
I just ordered a Merkel k5 in 30-06, not my dream gun but a nice one for sure! And I will have a bunch of money left even after buying a scope and mounts!!
 
I always purchase great quality optics, to avoid crap as such. Just save a few hundred dollars more, for a product that will last a lifetime, without and inconvenience.
 
I'd like a bespoke double rifle one day and a custom stalking rifle in 275 Rigby. Although I'm putting money towards that goal it won't be till after my house is paid off and a new truck before I can seriously set money aside
Until then my baikal double rifle and Sauer 100 will fill those roles
It's hard to sell of 15 or 20 guns to buy 1. Although I could do it a couple times over I know I'd miss the variety
Whats the difference between bespoke and custom?
 
Whats the difference between bespoke and custom?
The terms "bespoke" and "custom" are often used interchangeably in the context of rifles, but there are subtle distinctions in their meanings, particularly when considering their origins and connotations.
A bespoke rifle typically refers to a firearm that is made from scratch, tailored entirely to the individual buyer's specifications. The term "bespoke" comes from British tailoring, where it describes something (like a suit) crafted specifically for one person, often with a high degree of personalization and handwork. In the rifle world, a bespoke rifle is usually built by a skilled gunsmith or a high-end manufacturer who starts with raw materials and designs the rifle to fit the customer's exact needs—think custom stock dimensions, unique barrel specifications, engraving, and one-of-a-kind features. It’s often associated with luxury, exclusivity, and a process where the buyer is deeply involved from the ground up.
A custom rifle, on the other hand, generally implies a rifle that has been modified or tailored to suit a specific user, but it might not always be built from the ground up. It could start with an existing rifle (like a production model from Remington, Winchester, etc.) that is then altered—say, by fitting a new stock, upgrading the trigger, re-barreling, or adding custom finishes. Custom rifles can range from minor tweaks to extensive overhauls, but they often begin with a pre-existing platform rather than a blank slate. This makes "custom" a broader term that can apply to both high-end builds and more practical, budget-friendly modifications.
In practice, the difference can blur depending on the context or manufacturer. For example, a company might market a "custom rifle" that’s built to order with options chosen from a catalog, while a "bespoke rifle" might imply a more artisanal, one-off creation with no predefined limits. Price-wise, bespoke rifles tend to lean toward the ultra-premium (think thousands or tens of thousands of dollars), while custom rifles can span a wider range, from affordable upgrades to high-end builds.
So, in short:
  • Bespoke: Fully tailored, often built from scratch, highly exclusive, and personal.
  • Custom: Tailored to the user, but often based on an existing rifle, with varying degrees of modification.
If you’re thinking about getting one, it really comes down to how unique you want the rifle to be and how much you’re willing to spend!
 
"In the ongoing debate of affordable versus high-end rifles, I find myself leaning towards appreciating the nuances that come with a more refined firearm, even if my budget dictates I purchase what I can afford at any given time. While I respect the practicality of budget-friendly options that get the job done, my passion for hunting extends beyond simply filling a tag.

For me, accuracy isn't a luxury; it's a fundamental aspect of ethical hunting. Knowing that my rifle is capable of consistent precision provides confidence, especially when considering those challenging, once-in-a-lifetime shots at a world-class trophy. Reliability goes hand-in-hand with this. Out in the wilderness, far from any quick fixes, I need to depend on my gear to perform flawlessly, no matter the conditions. That peace of mind is invaluable and often comes with the build quality and meticulous engineering found in higher-end rifles.

Furthermore, I find that the aesthetic appeal of a firearm enhances my overall hunting experience. Just as an artist appreciates their tools, I derive a deeper sense of satisfaction from owning and using a rifle that is not only functional but also pleasing to my eye. This isn't about vanity or collecting 'safe queens' – every rifle I own sees time in the field – but about appreciating the craftsmanship and detail that goes into creating a beautiful firearm.

While every scratch and dent on my rifles tells a story of adventures past, the initial investment in quality – even if it's a considered purchase within my means – reflects my deep respect for the sport and the pursuit of excellence. It's about recognizing that these are more than just tools; they are a vital part of my passion for hunting and contribute significantly to the overall experience in the wild."

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The terms "bespoke" and "custom" are often used interchangeably in the context of rifles, but there are subtle distinctions in their meanings, particularly when considering their origins and connotations.
A bespoke rifle typically refers to a firearm that is made from scratch, tailored entirely to the individual buyer's specifications. The term "bespoke" comes from British tailoring, where it describes something (like a suit) crafted specifically for one person, often with a high degree of personalization and handwork. In the rifle world, a bespoke rifle is usually built by a skilled gunsmith or a high-end manufacturer who starts with raw materials and designs the rifle to fit the customer's exact needs—think custom stock dimensions, unique barrel specifications, engraving, and one-of-a-kind features. It’s often associated with luxury, exclusivity, and a process where the buyer is deeply involved from the ground up.
A custom rifle, on the other hand, generally implies a rifle that has been modified or tailored to suit a specific user, but it might not always be built from the ground up. It could start with an existing rifle (like a production model from Remington, Winchester, etc.) that is then altered—say, by fitting a new stock, upgrading the trigger, re-barreling, or adding custom finishes. Custom rifles can range from minor tweaks to extensive overhauls, but they often begin with a pre-existing platform rather than a blank slate. This makes "custom" a broader term that can apply to both high-end builds and more practical, budget-friendly modifications.
In practice, the difference can blur depending on the context or manufacturer. For example, a company might market a "custom rifle" that’s built to order with options chosen from a catalog, while a "bespoke rifle" might imply a more artisanal, one-off creation with no predefined limits. Price-wise, bespoke rifles tend to lean toward the ultra-premium (think thousands or tens of thousands of dollars), while custom rifles can span a wider range, from affordable upgrades to high-end builds.
So, in short:
  • Bespoke: Fully tailored, often built from scratch, highly exclusive, and personal.
  • Custom: Tailored to the user, but often based on an existing rifle, with varying degrees of modification.
If you’re thinking about getting one, it really comes down to how unique you want the rifle to be and how much you’re willing to spend!
Exactly as said here. I would not have been able to say it near as well
 
One cost about $100,000 more than the other.
I'd like to stay well under that mark but I see it as some guys have an expensive trailer home or motorcycle or sports car that brings them joy. I'd settle for a rifle handbuilt by a maker to be exactly what I want. It'll likely cost as much or more than a new bike or car but shouldn't depricate as much as a new truck over the years. My daughter will inherit it someday and I hope that when I'm gone she will still be able to use it
 
I have this one gentleman that hunts with us each fall for many years...First hunt he brought a rifle that I did not recognise but could tell at a glance that it was of very high quality...Into the hunt we got friendly enough that I asked about the rifle he was carrying...It was a David Miller.

Years later he showed me his collection that numbered well over fifty rifles all of that quality and higher...Ends up they run from $35-$200K depending on how early or late you bought...We got to know each other well enough that first hunt that from then on he used my mostly run of the mill Remington's and Sako's that at most have been rebarreled and have an H-S or McMillan stock fitted with some action and trigger tuning.

Just goes to show...That show can go but when it comes right down to it it's still show.

These are some David Miller rifles...Funny thing was everything on his rifles is hand made and fitted but he was very old school and loyal when it came to optics and swore by mostly using Leopold...The scope mount and base was even hand made...costing many thousands.

https://www.cpoutfitters.com/David-...r-Model-70-Bolt-Rifle-p/dmcwm70ba338wm211.htm


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