well i have a glenfield/marlin 60 compliments of Doug and a savage mark IIf the i like the marlin as it is very slick and crisp but the tube is a pain for guys like me with realy big fumbly fingers i drop about 4 or 5 rounds every reload and its quite accurate as for the savage well its not the most accurate in the world but it works i bought it new and have put about 2000 through it so far and it has done the job well enough except the mag is sloppy fitting in the well. i wouldnt mind picking up a 10/22 with a 25 or 50 round mag just to burn ammo with but who knows