Chiappa M1-9 ?
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Saw one on EE as well, caught my interest as well, but haven't seen or read anything on them. In the market for a nice pistol carbine, but this one seems a little to cheap (price was), so I have my reservations...
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I don't own one... And I haven't even held one. So take this with a grain of sodium.
It looks to me like the magazine is at a funny angle. If this is the case I can see why these guns have had reports of feeding issues.
They are cool and I've been tempted many times though.
It looks to me like the magazine is at a funny angle. If this is the case I can see why these guns have had reports of feeding issues.
They are cool and I've been tempted many times though.
They came out about a year ago and the premise of them is really promising. The big flaw with them is that instead of most rifles that have the mags connect on an angle so the ammo goes straight up, the mags vertical in the M1-9, so the ammo is actually canted upwards, and this has been causing some feed issues for some people.
I have never fired one so I can't state for certain what may be causing the stoppages, I am just relaying what I read from this an other forums. Test fire one if you ever get the chance, and if you can put a few mags through it with no stoppages, then buy it.
Here is what I mean about the mags, this is a JR Carbine with ammo that feeds parallel to the barrel:
Here is the M1 9mm, and you can see how the ammo feeds into the gun on an upward angle. Not technically a problem if the engineering can overcome it, but it may be (?):
I have never fired one so I can't state for certain what may be causing the stoppages, I am just relaying what I read from this an other forums. Test fire one if you ever get the chance, and if you can put a few mags through it with no stoppages, then buy it.
Here is what I mean about the mags, this is a JR Carbine with ammo that feeds parallel to the barrel:
Here is the M1 9mm, and you can see how the ammo feeds into the gun on an upward angle. Not technically a problem if the engineering can overcome it, but it may be (?):
When these first came out, I was really interested - partly because I have a 92FS and a stockpile of mags.
But the reviews have been almost universally bad. Lots of QC and reliability issues. Accuracy is "meh".
This is a case of a gun I really, really want to be even decent, and I would buy it. But it just isn't "there".
But the reviews have been almost universally bad. Lots of QC and reliability issues. Accuracy is "meh".
This is a case of a gun I really, really want to be even decent, and I would buy it. But it just isn't "there".
I have been struggling with mine but that hasn't stopped me from loving it. Generally I get semi reliable feeding if I load the mags with 5-6 rounds and that is it. I have the factory mag and a pro mag and both of them have the same issues, mostly stove piping live rounds because either the bolt doesn't travel back far enough, or because the mag tension is too strong and it pops them up too high before feeding so when the bolt travels forward it will drag the round in an upwards angle and totally miss the chamber. That is the problem I have %80 of the time, and perhaps half the battle is to find ammo that really works, me personally I'd like to find some round nose +p or hotter so it has enough power to force the action back and enough bullet length to catch the chamber on the way forward.
Having said that I haven't really broken the gun in yet so we shall see what further use will do for me. Also be prepared to have a very dirty gun on your hands because it gets very dirty from powder residue around the chamber. It Gets everywhere.
In the case of the sling I used an old steel (brass would work too or aluminum) cleaning rod and cut it down to size and used an old SKS sling. Blasphemy maybe to those who want to replicate a US GI Carbine but for me it was close enough.
Your rear sight grub but could walk up the threads when you shoot regularly, I pushed the sight body far to the left and adjusted the peep far to the right to compensate and just used an Allan key to turn the grub screws as far down as it can to act as a stop from sliding out, Seems to work so far.
If your willing to deal with the headaches it is a fun gun. And at that price it is an absolute steel, especially of your an M1 Carbine fanboy like myself. It's very handy and accompanies me on short bush walks all the time. More fun than a .22 in my opinion!
Dan.
Having said that I haven't really broken the gun in yet so we shall see what further use will do for me. Also be prepared to have a very dirty gun on your hands because it gets very dirty from powder residue around the chamber. It Gets everywhere.
In the case of the sling I used an old steel (brass would work too or aluminum) cleaning rod and cut it down to size and used an old SKS sling. Blasphemy maybe to those who want to replicate a US GI Carbine but for me it was close enough.
Your rear sight grub but could walk up the threads when you shoot regularly, I pushed the sight body far to the left and adjusted the peep far to the right to compensate and just used an Allan key to turn the grub screws as far down as it can to act as a stop from sliding out, Seems to work so far.
If your willing to deal with the headaches it is a fun gun. And at that price it is an absolute steel, especially of your an M1 Carbine fanboy like myself. It's very handy and accompanies me on short bush walks all the time. More fun than a .22 in my opinion!
Dan.
Watched the video, and it only solidified what I thought of their products. Great ideas, but poorly executed. Will keep saving pennies for a Jr. At least with them if you do have issues, the company will stand behind their product.
LordEvilPepper
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junk... jam-o-matics. masive recoil on a little round due to the giant "op rod"
I did a review about a year or two ago. While I admit mine is currently running fine with proper OEM Berretta mags, it still does have the occasional failure to feed (probably a couple for every range trip).
The asking price of $400 is pretty much about right - it is a cheap range plinker with cheap build quality.
If you want a 9mm carbine that you don't mind tinkering with because it only cost $400 - it may be an ok solution, but ultimately I can't recommend one.
I'd say spend more and get a proper m1 in 30 carbine or look to another platform.
Part of the problem with these cheap pistol caliber carbines is value for money - I have a JR carbine in 45acp, and don't think it is twice the rifle that the M1-9 is, despite being twice the cost. Ymmv.
The asking price of $400 is pretty much about right - it is a cheap range plinker with cheap build quality.
If you want a 9mm carbine that you don't mind tinkering with because it only cost $400 - it may be an ok solution, but ultimately I can't recommend one.
I'd say spend more and get a proper m1 in 30 carbine or look to another platform.
Part of the problem with these cheap pistol caliber carbines is value for money - I have a JR carbine in 45acp, and don't think it is twice the rifle that the M1-9 is, despite being twice the cost. Ymmv.
I bought the chiappa m1 I the .22 cal version. And it is a jam o matic. It is in for warranty repair for a couple months now. Last time I used it, it fired out of battery and burned my face. At that point I was so pissed off and send it in
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gewehr76
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Blow back design is heavily reliant on ammo quality, it has to have more umpf. If ammo is underpowered, or burn rate of powder is not fast enough then it will cause stoppages. I would think using hotter loads would solve majority of problems with these carbines.
Maybe I get lucky with my cheaper firearms ,but mine in wood stock 9mm runs very well....sure it has the odd stovepipe (not too often mind you) but it does run well.I normally feed it FMJ RN Blazer ammo, but it does need power to #### the op rod.
I slapped a short rail and a red dot on it ,makes it fun to shoot and the rail can be removed no problem if I want to use irons.
One day though, I would like to get a real .30 carbine ,non retricted.
BB
I slapped a short rail and a red dot on it ,makes it fun to shoot and the rail can be removed no problem if I want to use irons.
One day though, I would like to get a real .30 carbine ,non retricted.
BB
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I wanted this to be a good firearm as well. I think it was Taofledermaus vid that turned me right off it. I seem to recall that metal parts smash together on top of it just being an all round POS
