Chinese blade

Canuck44 said:
I would bet money the gun was redone at the factory. The stock and bayo have been replaced. The cut is for the spike bayo. The stock has the last five digits cut into it on theleft side. Perhaps that is what the "2" represents before the serial number. According the the numbering system the gun was made in 1957. After that all bets are off.
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lets summarize your sino soviet.

correct for a sino soviet.
1. factory 26
2. extra milled on carrier, milled trigger group and threaded barrel. all matching
3. serial number is in the 1,###,### (1957) , less for a 1956
4. no chinese characters , the 3 characters (56carbine) was intro in 1963
5. factory code /26\ after serial number, in approx 1960 the factory code was move in front of serial numbers.
6. "n" on bottom of rear sight ladder
7. rear swivel on side of stock

wrong for sino soviet
1. spike bayo , didnt switch to spike till mid 1965.
2. number 2 in front of serial numbers.

i suspect the blade bayo and wood was switched and the "2" was added by the importer who also marked "7.62x39mm made in china" . a 1957 sks would be made originally for the chinese military so there would be no need to have anything in english.

so look at the 2 again , does it look like the 2 in 7.62 or like the 2 in the serial number? i hope it looks like the 2 in the 7.62 which indicates it was added at the same time when they stamped "made in china". im keeping my fingers cross.:D
 
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curtton

Hi

Looks exactly like the numbers in the Serial number and appears to be the same as the 2 in 7.62 though the latter is much smaller. On the same plane as well. Same size and depth of imprinting in the metal. The 7.62x39 and Made in China is much smaller (about 1/8" in height and the width of the impression in the metal is much thinner. Appears to be stamped though not pencil engraved. Do you think the importer also stamped the stock with the serial number as well?

Take Care

Bob
 
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Canuck44 said:
"0406 is a second wave (post 1970) T56 factory"

My serial number is 2 - 1407826. The 07826 is stamped on the stock as well as the bottom of the trigger guard which is machined.

Take Care

Bob
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Many variations of part configurations will be found on carbines from the second wave factories. Milled guards, stamped guards, threaded bbls, pinned bbls etc. The spike bayonet appears to have become universal after being adopted by Jianshe /26\ from 1965/66

Not all factories produced at once. Part of the strategy of having the second wave factories was to de-centralise production from Jianshe to the hinterland as a defense measure. It was also an economic measure to bring industrialisation to the same areas. Weapons production was cycled along with vehicles such as buses as well as construction equipment, consumer goods etc. The actual times of these cycles are not known and were probably/or remain classified.

Unlike other com bloc nations, the PRC used the the SKS as an MBR, relegating the AK to less widespread use and even officially classifying it as an "SMG" (despite the orthodox definition based on a pistol caliber weapon).

It was considered that the SKS was a better weapon for accuracy and simpler to use. Economy of ammunition required was also a consideration in a ground force which numbered some 6 million until the military reforms of the 1980s when a smaller, mechanised and more technology oriented army along current lines was introduced. Along with those reforms came a general issue of the assault rifle, in this case the Type 81.


China also produced perhaps millions of T56 carbines for military export to places like South Asia and Africa.
 
EOS: very interesting info but what do you think about canuck44's factory 26? about the spike bayo and odd serial number for factory 26?
 
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EOS: very interesting info but what do you think about canuck44's factory 26? about the spike bayo and odd serial number for factory 26?
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Early carbine refurbed to later standard. Not unusual. Often even the front ferrule was replaced to fit the spike if original was badly corroded or damaged.
 
eos said:
Early carbine refurbed to later standard. Not unusual. Often even the front ferrule was replaced to fit the spike if original was badly corroded or damaged.
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so what about the serial number with a 2- in front, could be added later ?
 
curtton said:
so what about the serial number with a 2- in front, could be added later ?
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It's believed by some (the US collecting fraternity) to be related to US import and added later. As good a reason as any for it.

Many of the whys and wherefores of the PLA arsenal system remain unknown. Usual marxist secretiveness.
 
So based upon what you folks know do I have a Sino-Soviet or not? Appears like the hardware is which is really what is important to me. The stock/bayo is less important as I am a shooter not a collector and I don't see me running around forking zombies with the bayo anytime soon.

Take Care

Bob
 
Here are the pics of the serial number and stock

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Take Care

Bob
 
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That's not a Sino-Soviet, Bob. The factory marking should be a 26 in a triangle and the serial # should be a letter followed by four digits.

Can you make out what the stylized number in the triangle is? This page may help you with the factory code.
 
Same factory as mine, except mine has an F in the serial number the the sling swivel is on the bottom of the stock instead of the side and my bolt carrier is mirror polished.
 
Canuck44 said:
From the diagrams I would say it is 0406
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well, im disappointed . factory 0406 is not sino soviet.

i guess you didnt see the factory list when you told us it was a factory 26.

Canuck44 said:
Suspect the blade was replaced. My serial number is 2 - 1407### followed by the Factory 26 symbol. No Chinese characters other than what is inside the triangle.

Do you know where I can get a proper blade?
Take Care

Bob
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It was advertised on the EE as a Sino soviet. That is why I bought it and paid what I did for it. That said it is very well made, has all forged parts and has the threaded barrel.

Take Care

Bob
 
0406 alright. Not a Sino Soviet. The basic Sino Soviet will have a letter followed by 4 digits. Russian firing, accuracy and cyrillic inspector proofs will be found on T56s using Russian parts.
 
Canuck44 said:
It was advertised on the EE as a Sino soviet. That is why I bought it and paid what I did for it. That said it is very well made, has all forged parts and has the threaded barrel.
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glad to hear you are getting some money back.

sino-soviet was built in 1956 till mid 1957 then the russian personals went home, IMHO i would consider a rest of 1957 a sino-soviet too altho serial number arent the same , who knows there may well be russians parts in there.
 
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