Chinese Research Thread (Request for Details...)

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Using Curtton's Chinese SKS thread found here... http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537183

I compiled this spreadsheet detailing the differences in years for Factory 26 SKS rifles as that seems to be the baseline for Chinese modifications...

Factory26SKSChart.png


What I'd like to do, with the help of Chinese SKS owning CGN members is start to compile a fact sheet for each arsenal we have in Canada, ie 316, 016, etc etc.

Using this details in this sheet, and Curtton's sticky as reference to the differences would anyone be willing to share details of their Chinese SKS rifles?

The goal is to try and figure out a dating sequence if possible. If Jianshe did it, maybe some or all of the other did it too and we just haven't figured out the system yet.

Pictures showing parts and pieces linked to build changed (bayo lugs, barrel lugs, etc) are welcomed and encouraged.

What I'm hoping to learn...

The details of your rifle, in the order that the spread sheet has them titled along the top. Full serial number would help but not required as I understand someone might not want the full serial number posted somewhere or in the hands of a third party. It would help towards the accuracy of a dating figure should this actually take off, but in no way going to force the issue.

A. Triangle Factory Codes
/?\,/oo\,/2\,/2\,/26\,/36\,/56\,/66\,/96\.
2./016\,/106\,/106\,/116\,/135\,/136\,/156\, /206\, /216\.
3./305\,/306\,/316\,/316\,/319\,/326\,/366\,/386\,/406\.
4./416\,/456\,/516\,/526\,/606\,/625\,/629\,/636\,/666\.
5./906\,/916\,/956\,/0130\,/0131\,/0223\,/0225\,/0306\,/0405\.
6./0406\,/0408\,/0412\,/0404\,/0908\,/6602\,/6609\,/6017,/6516\.
7./6601\,/6615\,/6625\,/6635\,/6636\,/6656\,/6665\,/6666\,/6675\.
8./7676\,/6906\.

B. square factory codes:
1.[0129],[0134],[0135],[0136],[0138],[0140],[0141],[0142],[0144],[0145],[0146],[0147].
2.[0220],[0205],[0221],[0222],[0223],[0224],[0266].
3.[0303],[0306],[0360].
4.[0806],[6603],[6623].

C. oblong factory codes:
1.(23),(874),(974),(0402),(6009),(9186),(9696)

D. Diamond factory code:
1.<0203>,<0205>.

E. Plain codes :M21 No, M21 0296, TO, DP, DB, DP3
 
I don't want to burst your bubble, but its impossible to compile information of Chinese arms factories because the parts were all made in separate locations for secrecy and security. Just because a receiver is stamped with a factory mark, does not mean it was produced there, nor tying it to any batch or production numbers.

A bunch of years ago I worked with an elderly Chinese gentleman who was in the Army before his family immigrated to Canada. On occasion, his duties were to escort military shipments to such places as government properties and armories. Firearms are/were prohibited in China and the best way to keep them away from its people was to secretly produce individual parts in separate factories, with unknown destinations. He assures me that no 3 parts on any individual rifle were produced from the same factories.

Batch numbers and factory stamps, inclusive of factory 26 are not a hidden mystery, it simply doesnt exist because the rifles were only assembled in locations rather than produced at them.


The meaning and secrets of factory stamps are an urban legend, but chase it if you want to.
 
While I don't doubt anything you say fiddler, there still seems to be a logic to how the Chinese SKS rifles were built. When you look at the chart, and factor in the style of some of the parts (spike vs blade bayo, barrel lug styles, etc) and the Jianshe serial numbers equating to a year, one would think that in the great conformist mindset of the PLA that some sort of marching orders would be given to the factories to do things a certain way.

With no rifle being made solely at one factory, there would have had to have been a set plan for all factories to conform to in order for production to go ahead seamlessly. That secrecy may be the ties that binds all Chinese SKS rifles together.

So I'm clear, was Jianshe the only factory to make their rifles completely in house, or did they source from other factories along with the rest?

It seems to difficult a process to be random, having some 150 different factories doing things 150 different ways. Building a rifle in one factory is easy. Building a rifle from several factories over so many years would have to form some sort of pattern.
 
Sure I get that. But with different lightening cuts, barrel lugs, milled vs stamped parts and so on I'm thinking if I can gather enough data on different guns with different arsenal stampings and different features I might be able to learn something new about the series.

Or maybe I won't. I just don't know if its been attempted. Everyone says its impossible, but has anyone really given it a try with the Chinese stuff outside of Factory 26?
 
fenceline said:
I just don't know if its been attempted. Everyone says its impossible, but has anyone really given it a try with the Chinese stuff outside of Factory 26?
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yup, i have but i dont have the time to carry on , i've collected info on over 400 so far .

if you really wanna try then i talk to you by PM bcos what you're doing here would be too slow and very few factories.
 
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