Chinses Ammo Surplus Corrosive or Non Corrosive 7.62x39 9mm

Gatehouse said:
When it comes to this ammo, people need to wrap their heads around what is being offered, and completely understand what they are buying. It's Chinese surplus. It's cheap.It may have flaws. It's bulk ammo, not premium ammo handcrafted by virgins at midnight on the Summer Solstice.
Understand that, and you will have some cheap, fun ammo to shoot. If that doesn't work for you- buy something else.
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Well said. I'm very happy with my 61/08 batch even at $0.29/rd and have no complaints against Lever Arms.
 
City Boy said:
If you walk into Lever Arms, there are signs that basically say they don't guarantee surplus ammo or rifles; it's been a while since I've been in there, so the exact wording escapes me, but I don't think they stand behind anything surplus.
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Even if Lever guaranteed this ammo, and after firing more than 1600 rounds of this stuff, I'd say that collecting the defective stuff and then heading out to downtown Vancouver to get my 21 cents per round is just not worth the gas I'd use up driving. As I said before, most cracked necks week fire fine. And the very few rounds that will not chamber do not make a significant economic impact to bother about it.
 
westrifle said:
I know how to read a headstamp, I just don't have this ammo in stock. Can someone please post picture of headstamp. All I did is called Lever Arms and ask which year their ammo was produced. Since they are the importer and they know what they paid for they told me 1980th.
TULA AMMO bimetal is the best for SKS because it does not damage the barrel.
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Westrifle, I was under the impression that most of the steel cased 7.62x39 has bi-metal bullets. How would the Tula ammo be better for my SKS than say, Barnaul FMJ? Will SKS's with chrome lined barrels get damaged from bi-metal bullets regardless?
 
Barnaul is metal case covered with lacquer and Tula is metal case covere with copper. Copper does not melt when you shoot it and laquer does. It stick in your barrel.

Hope this is what you were looking for. Tula bimetall is better.
 
westrifle_sks said:
Barnaul is metal case covered with lacquer and Tula is metal case covere with copper.
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The Tula's 7.62x39mm cases are covered with COPPER are you saying!? Where have you seen that? I just have a 7.62x39mm Tulammo 20rd box before my eyes and I see a greenish steel case which is covered with some sort of matte lacquer! Now, I'm opening a 7.62x39mm 20rd Barnaul box and I see a lightly greenish steel case covered with some more glossy lacquer! Both Tulammo and Barnaul are nearly identical! You don't know what you're talking about! Just misleading the readership!
 
Comparison 7.62x39mm Tulammo vs. Barnaul
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05RAV said:
The Tula's 7.62x39mm cases are covered with COPPER are you saying!? Where have you seen that? I just have a 7.62x39mm Tulammo 20rd box before my eyes and I see a greenish steel case which is covered with some sort of matte lacquer! Now, I'm opening a 7.62x39mm 20rd Barnaul box and I see a lightly greenish steel case covered with some more glossy lacquer! Both Tulammo and Barnaul are nearly identical! You don't know what you're talking about! Just misleading the readership!
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The surplus made by Tula Cartridge Works (head stamp 539) from the '70s is copper washed. I used 2 crates this is how I know. Barnaul is made by BPZ (head stamp 17) in present days.
Cheers
 
Is it corrosive or non corrosive, does it have a chrome lined barrel or a non chromed barrel, its too expensive I want it for $99 with keymod. Buy it, shoot it, clean it and oil it and enjoy it before they take it away and there is no more. Millennial's!----Dieseldog!
 
dieseldog said:
Is it corrosive or non corrosive, does it have a chrome lined barrel or a non chromed barrel, its too expensive I want it for $99 with keymod. Buy it, shoot it, clean it and oil it and enjoy it before they take it away and there is no more. Millennial's!----Dieseldog!
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+1 ^^^
 
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The Tula's 7.62x39mm cases are covered with COPPER are you saying!? Where have you seen that? I just have a 7.62x39mm Tulammo 20rd box before my eyes and I see a greenish steel case which is covered with some sort of matte lacquer! Now, I'm opening a 7.62x39mm 20rd Barnaul box and I see a lightly greenish steel case covered with some more glossy lacquer! Both Tulammo and Barnaul are nearly identical! You don't know what you're talking about! Just misleading the readership!
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FSB said:
The surplus made by Tula Cartridge Works (head stamp 539) from the '70s is copper washed. I used 2 crates this is how I know. Barnaul is made by BPZ (head stamp 17) in present days.
Cheers
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You are talking about old military surplus which is corrosive? I'm talking about NON-CORROSIVE modern 7.62x39mm ammo manufactured by Tula (Tulammo) and Barnaul (see my pics above). You are talking sort of proverbial "apples and oranges". The non-corrosive Tulammo is manufactured by the Ulyanovsk Cartridge Works in Tula. NON-CORROSIVE Barnaul cartridges which I show above do NOT have any "17" headstamp. Only "7.62x39mm" and a Barnaul symbol which is also on the box in the pic above on the top left side of the box. The Barnaul box clearly says in English and French "lacquered". The Tulammo box says nothing about "lacquer" although if you take a Tulammo cartridge in your hand you can feel that it's covered with some matte paint/lacquer. With respect to the comments by westrifle_sks it is obvious that modern, non-corrosive 7.62x39mm Tulammo is NOT copperwashed at all.
 
BPZ manufacture military ammo and commercial ammo. Every military spec ammo have head stamp with the factory number. BPZ is 17. You are correct that the present days commercial ammo in question is lacquered steel case and may not have proper head stamp just logo.
Cheers
 
Slamfyre said:
Even if Lever guaranteed this ammo, and after firing more than 1600 rounds of this stuff, I'd say that collecting the defective stuff and then heading out to downtown Vancouver to get my 21 cents per round is just not worth the gas I'd use up driving. As I said before, most cracked necks week fire fine. And the very few rounds that will not chamber do not make a significant economic impact to bother about it.
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Oh, I wouldn't bother trying to return it either; I was just answering Westrifles inquiry about returns to the best of my knowledge.

A few duds at the gravel pit is not a big deal, but I usually prefer stuff that goes bang with a little more consistency. Is the price low enough to make up for that? I hadn't looked at prices of 7.62x39 for a long time.
 
05RAV said:
Comparison 7.62x39mm Tulammo vs. Barnaul
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What's odd is that on the TulAmmo site all the photos show their cases as sort of grayish, not really green, so it's hard to tell from the pics. If I was going to buy based on that, I'd be guessing they were maybe zinc plated, like some of the MFS stuff, although MFS zinc plating is more shiny. You'd be misled somewhat by the TulaAmmo advert pics. It would be nice if they actually said in words on the advert what the coating was to clarify the poor photos.

Practically though, does anyone know or have experience in how fast and hot do you need to shoot an SKS or a Vz58 to get the green lacquer to melt and then cause you problems? I am assuming that, say, if you were doing slow, deliberate shots at a range, say, when sighting in a scope, you may never notice this, as the system won't heat up a lot.. But then once you're good to go, and start some more rapid fire, the problem may arise? I have some of the green Barnaul stuff, but haven't used any of it yet, so I'm kinda keen to know. How often does it cause jams, fail to feed, etc? Any practical experiences and feedback would be appreciated.
 
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Comparison 7.62x39mm Tulammo vs. Barnaul
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El_Monty457 said:
What's odd is that on the TulAmmo site all the photos show their cases as sort of grayish, not really green, so it's hard to tell from the pics. If I was going to buy based on that, I'd be guessing they were maybe zinc plated, like some of the MFS stuff, although MFS zinc plating is more shiny. You'd be misled somewhat by the TulaAmmo advert pics. It would be nice if they actually said in words on the advert what the coating was to clarify the poor photos.
Practically though, does anyone know or have experience in how fast and hot do you need to shoot an SKS or a Vz58 to get the green lacquer to melt and then cause you problems? I am assuming that, say, if you were doing slow, deliberate shots at a range, say, when sighting in a scope, you may never notice this, as the system won't heat up a lot.. But then once you're good to go, and start some more rapid fire, the problem may arise? I have some of the green Barnaul stuff, but haven't used any of it yet, so I'm kinda keen to know. How often does it cause jams, fail to feed, etc? Any practical experiences and feedback would be appreciated.
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Tulammo which I show in my post is the one which I ordered from Tulammo website. The color of the coating is grayish-greenish but it's not a raw zinc plating like you see on steel sheets. When I inspect the Tulammo coating under a magnifying glass, it looks like sort of polymeric paint. It's smooth but matte. Unless it's first zinc plated and then painted.
However, this is not the point. My point was to respond to some misleading comment by westrifle_sks that the Tulammo cartridge cases are copper coated which is NOT the case.
Now regarding melting of the coating. It seems to me that it's another BS. I've been shooting both Tulammo and Barnaul in my SKS and the Zastava M85. How fast you can shoot the SKS which is limited to 5 rounds? Even if I shoot all 5 rounds one after another I have never seen any melting of the coating on both Tulammo and Barnaul cases. If I shoot the Zastava M85 the shooting rate is even lower than that for the SKS. However, the Zastava's chamber is pretty tight so sometimes I can see a bit of scraping from the coating but it's have never caused any adverse effects. I clean my guns after shooting, anyway.
 
Further to my post above I made a quick research and found that the cases of Tulammo cartridges are coated with PHOSPHATE POLYMER COATING regardless of the caliber.
 
bluevalley84 said:
Sorry for delay. how do u post pics on here? The stamp on my ammo is either 80/19 or 61/08
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I think that could be a reason why lever is saying the ammo was produced in the 80s. They could've interpreted that it was produced in plant 19 in the year 1980. I discarded that after I opened the second create and it was unmistakably stamped 61/07. My third crate was stamped 61/05, which further reinforced my suspicions this is not 1980s ammo, buy rather new millennium ammo.
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Slamfyre said:
I think that could be a reason why lever is saying the ammo was produced in the 80s. They could've interpreted that it was produced in plant 19 in the year 1980. I discarded that after I opened the second create and it was unmistakably stamped 61/07. My third crate was stamped 61/05, which further reinforced my suspicions this is not 1980s ammo, buy rather new millennium ammo.
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That's exactly what I said in my post #72 :
"The Lever Arms' website says: "1980's export production". I guess that this is a mistake arising from reading upside-down the headstamp which would then show 80/19. But I'm not sure.
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Definitely this is new millenium ammo. Strangely enough, I already received 2 crates and both are 61/08, i.e. the 2008 production year. Nothing from 2005 or 2007.
 
Stop the import of less expensive ammo = cost prohibitive to the consumer
In Canada cost prohibitive firearm control scheme has been in place for a while, UN marking regulations will increase prices further = continuation of cost prohibitive firearm control
 
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