'Chipping' PWS Triad. [56k gtfo]

Is there a gap between the leading edge of the muzzle and that portion of the device where the threading ends and the device chipped? Or can you guys screw it down enough so the muzzle contacts this portion? If there is a gap, this area will fill with superheated gas every time you shoot. It's the heat and pressure of the muzzle effluent that is causing it to chip. It's so close to the muzzle that it shouldn't hinder accuracy in any measurable way but it will probably continue to wear over time, especially if you have it on an SBR. I'd be watching your crown closely on an SBR as well.

IMO a "gap" acts kinda like a mini baffle, but wouldn't do anything positive in any way because it is too close to the muzzle. All it would do is wear on the device at that point, and possibly cause additional wear on the muzzle. And, it's not a good design element in a flash hider for a few obvious reasons.
 
Clobbersauras said:
Is there a gap between the leading edge of the muzzle and that portion of the device where the threading ends and the device chipped? Or can you guys screw it down enough so the muzzle contacts this portion? If there is a gap, this area will fill with superheated gas every time you shoot. It's the heat and pressure of the muzzle effluent that is causing it to chip. It's so close to the muzzle that it shouldn't hinder accuracy in any measurable way but it will probably continue to wear over time, especially if you have it on an SBR. I'd be watching your crown closely on an SBR as well.

IMO a "gap" acts kinda like a mini baffle, but wouldn't do anything positive in any way because it is too close to the muzzle. All it would do is wear on the device at that point, and possibly cause additional wear on the muzzle. It's not a good design element in a flash hider in my opinion, but what do I know?
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i agree, but i also wonder if the chip could also offset muzzle climb and cause the firearm to pull in an unwanted direction when firing....
 
This should be a factory recall and IMO. If they said the next batch will be rectified then that means this batch is not manufactured properly!

On a positive note I installed the PWS TTO Muzzle brake, no flash hider...
So far the best muzzle brake I have tried on my XCR-L...
I only tried it indoor and off the bench @50m, ELCAN @4x I experienced a major improvement in accuracy...groups of 3 were averaging 1/4"-1/2"!

Standing using my ELCAN on 1x @15m, very quick follow up shots I was nailing 2-3" groups of 5rds, the Rilfe stayed flat, no muzzle rise...No tuning was required in my situation.

I hope this one does not have any issues as it has made my shooting performance and fun factor substantially increase...in the end having fun at the range is what counts!
 
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just checked, I have the same chip. I'm around 300-400 rounds. I love this thing, but after reading clobbs post, looks like I'm in the market for similar, but different device... suggestions?
 
I opened a ticket on the PWS website and in less than 24hr
They told me to mail it back for inspection and they will replace it.
So I replied back if they can mail me a new one to Canada? and if it will be from a new batch as others recently have the same issue:

PWS:
"Please mail your Triad 556 to:

Primary Weapons Systems
ATTN: Warranty Returns
800 E Citation Ct
Suite A
Boise, ID 83716

Upon inspection of the compensator, a replacement will be mailed out to you.

Thank you,

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To view the status of your ticket, please use the link below:"
 
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Keep us posted. I have the same issue with a triad and they told me flat out at SHOT they won't replace it. They admit they have cut it too deep but they insist it won't affect accuracy. They also said it they know of the issue and had fixed the program. I just don't have time to swap these things back and forth to prove or disprove that claim.

On the other hand, it does work pretty well for what it is designed for.
 
greentips said:
Keep us posted. I have the same issue with a triad and they told me flat out at SHOT they won't replace it. They admit they have cut it too deep but they insist it won't affect accuracy. They also said it they know of the issue and had fixed the program. I just don't have time to swap these things back and forth to prove or disprove that claim.

On the other hand, it does work pretty well for what it is designed for.
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UPDATE:

FROM PWS:
"There shouldn't be any issue with shipping it back.

The Triad will indeed be from a new product, which actually came into inventory last week.

Thanks again"
 
greentips said:
Keep us posted. I have the same issue with a triad and they told me flat out at SHOT they won't replace it. They admit they have cut it too deep but they insist it won't affect accuracy.
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Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand why they have that particular piece of material there. I've been thinking about it since I originally read this thread and it doesn't make sense to me. They should have just drilled the area out at the same dimension as the hole they drilled for the threaded portion. It would eliminate any gaps and solve the problem. It may also improve the device slightly by helping to give a higher exit speed of the gas by getting rid of any obstructions.
 
twoguntim said:
Perhaps it creates a longer burn time for the gas and thus reduces the flash.
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No, that's not how it works. If anything, it would increase flash. However, prong designs are very efficient at reducing and even eliminating shock structures that cause the larger aspects of visible flash so the difference is probably very negligible.
 
I remember looking at some of your designs, Clobb, where you mentioned that you had done some research/reading on the subject. What did you read and where did you read it? Because I'd actually be interested in learning a bit about it myself.

Of course, I could just be thinking of someone else entirely.
 
There are very few resources for this type of information. There are a few books and technical manuals if you can find them. But nothing will tell you if build "A" then "B" will be the result. It's all heavy technical reading too. Which is hard for me because I like books with lots of pretty pictures and colors.
 
Well, there is only one thing left for you to do Clobb. Buy a Triad and test it. Then bore out the inside gap and try it again. Post results here.
 
UPDATE:
I shipped it back to PWS, cost me $18 :(
Since I'm extremely pleased so far with the PWS TTO I doubt
I will bother to install and test the TRIAD warranty replacement so it will either end up
as a paper weight or I will sell it...

I put another 200rds down range today with the PWS TTO and I will never use any other muzzle device...
Flash Hiding is actually useles for my application as I have ZERO reason for that!

As for the muzzle brake, I highly recommend this for competitive shooters, SR Matches or even CQB enthusiasts who like to shoot quick followup shots and mag changes with their rig set up at the range banging away at targets!
 
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