well, i've GOT the old springfield/beretta bm59 version- all you guys that want one better REALLY THINK HARD if you REALLY want it- it's 2x as slow to deploy, hard on the shoulder due to the steel plate, ( backed up by a HARD rubber buttplate a la jungle carbine),hard to get a decent cheekweld, and it's darned near 300 us- all for something with a QUESTIONABLE need- so WHY did i buy one?- well, i thought it was "cool" at the time, ( just like a lot of you) and i had the money- believe me, you're FAR better off with the "standard " stock, or if you MUST have something different, get a cheese grater- the only reason to get a folder is if you must fit the rifle into a confined space, like the back of a pick-up- and as for the shorty, i'd check the length if i were you