Choosing a CCW holster

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I am looking for a IWB "tuckable" holster for a full sized 1911 .45ACP with a 5" barrel.

I am looking at http://www.hbeleatherworks.com/ a tuckable GS holster.
I am a middleaged stocky built male with love handles.
My question is this: Should I choose a LOW ride, MID ride or HIGH ride design?
I feel a low ride design would drive that 5" barrel into my glutes.
On the other hand, I fear a high ride profile would chafe my armpit.

The primary concern is of course consealment. The holster must hold the pistol close to the body and be hidden by tucking in a t-shirt. I would be doing more sitting (driving) than walking.

As I have never CCW'd before, I have no knowledge on which to base my purchase.

Any advice from you old pro's would be greatly appreciated before I spend $100USD and wait 16 weeks for something that I will not use.
 
That's pretty much an impossble list of requirements. The only firearm I have totally concealed under a tucked in T shirt was a J frame S&W fitted with Hogue Bantam grips in a Blade-Tech UCH. with a tight fitting T shirt on a skinny guy, It was invisible.

The Galco NSA is tuckable and gives a lot of forward cant so the butt is less likely to print against your shirt when bending forward. http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterG3.asp?ProductID=2209&GunID=28 It's quite comfortable but not the most secure holster, having only one belt hook.

The Galco Royal guard is comfortable holster for big guns, but is not tuckable, you will have to blouse your shirt over it and the reinforced holster mouth gives added thickness. Someone looking for it will see it. The belt loops are over size which means it can shift a little in your pants. http://www.usgalco.com/Catalog/large/RG_SILO2.jpg

The Alessi CQCI was the most uncomfortable holster I've encountered, it's very well made and very rigid, so rigid that there is no flex in it, so it tends to dig in. Not tuckable, so pass. http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/images/CQCI.jpg

The Milt Sparks Watch Six is slim line and very well made, but not tuckable. Worth a look. Alessi made a version with J hooks. http://www.lightningarms.com/images/sparks/WatchSix_big.jpg

Probably the best compromise between security and concealability is the Milt Sparks Versamax. This is available in a tuckable variant, has a reinforced mouth and widley spaced belt attachments. It's a bit thicker than the watch six. http://miltsparks.com/images/Photos/VM-2_large.jpg I haven't tried this version but a lot of guys on the Beretta forum use them to conceal full size pistols.

In summary, if it was for me, I would a) go with a J Frame & UCH. If not possible then the Versamax with a 1911.

Place your order through http://www.lightningarms.com/ They should be quicker than ordering direct.
 
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I think the only concern you should have is the fact that the 5" 1911 ICW (tuckable) will pull your pants down ;)
Seriously... unless it has an aluminum frame it's going to be heavy and not very comfy.

With that said, I've been doing the "What if we could CCW" thing myself... I'd get a 'Milt Spark Versa Max 2' with tuckable hardware for my soon to arrive SIG P229 SAS.

Can hardly wait.

:)
 
Griffoneur said:
I am looking for a IWB "tuckable" holster for a full sized 1911 .45ACP with a 5" barrel.
I am also in my 50's and a charter member of the Men Without Waists Club. I am not a holster expert and I do not have several boxes full of discarded holsters as evidence of my dedication to finding the perfect holster.

Having said that, I have settled on a Texas Heritage IWB from Tucker Gunleather which I use for my BHP. You can see all the details on this particular holster below.

http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/teheiwb.html

I considered a Milt Sparks VersaMax before purchasing this holster, but chose the Tucker instead for the following reasons. First and foremost, I tried my neighbors. Felt great and distributed the weight of the pistol similar to that of my BHP very well. Second, the Kydex clips are multiposition, allowing you a reasonable amount of adjustment for ride height and cant. Third, and perhaps most of all, Tucker offers an "anytime you decide you don't like it or it isn't built well enough, I'll give you your money back" guarantee. Not credit towards another purchase - money back. Made it easy to try this holster first.

I am very pleased with my holster. The fit to the BHP is just right, right from the word go. Lots of other people speak very highly about Tucker holsters, and you can add me to the list. The thing is, with a guarantee like that, you can try their holsters in confidence that if it just doesn't work for you, you can return it. If everyone did that, there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of unused holsters gathering dust in drawers...

I chose v-clips for mine, as my earlier holster had also convinced me that a real gun belt was just as important as the holster. Particularly when going to smaller belt widths like 1 1/4". I tried my Ernie Hill Speedleather belt from my competition rigs for a while, but realized pretty quickly that it looked exactly like... a gunbelt. And while stiff is good, that was ridiculously stiff and wide.

For a gunbelt that was dressy enough to wear to the office but stiff enough to properly support the gun, I found that Jim at The Beltman makes great belts. In fact, he makes the bullhide belts that Tucker gunleather sells. I purchased a horsehide belt with velcro liner for the v-clips to lock in to. Can wear it with anything from cargo shorts, to jeans, to Dockers. Could maybe even get away with wearing it with a suit:

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You can contact The Beltman here: http://www.thebeltman.net/

This combination works well for me; it may or may not do the same for you. It tucks very well, although I don't think that would help any if you wear your shirts somewhat tight. There has to be room to "blouse" your shirt so it isn't tight over the parts of the gun above the belt. The Kydex clips do seem to help to flatten out the silhouette of the pistol.

You are probably aware that for most people carrying a full size pistol requires some changes in how you dress in the warmer months. If you wear some sort of vest 12 months of the year, then it won't be much of an issue - I wear the Tucker "untucked" in the colder months because I usually do wear a micropile vest from fall through spring. But in the summer, if you tend towards shorts and tank tops and still want to carry a full size handgun, this starts to get interesting to say the least. I don't pretend to have solved that one (except for wearing REALLY BAGGY tank tops), and as that is my normal attire in the summer, I have been spending some time thinking about buying one of the Kahr's in .40 S&W for the summer months.

None of this might work for you if the majority of your time is spent sitting in a vehicle or whatever. That has not been a consideration for me in choosing how to carry, so I don't know much about that and therefore any comments on choosing a holster primarily for sitting would be uninformed speculation on my part.

One thing is that there are many, many truly great holster makers these days to choose from. Most will be quite happy to speak with you at length about your requirements and advise you; they match a lot of people up with holsters they will like, so you will probably get good advice. And Tucker is not the only maker to offer "no questions asked" satisfaction guarantees.

But I'd still suggest you talk to Rob at Tucker Gunleather first...
 
Thank you guys, your advice is very informative and most welcome! :D

Question on the Tucker holster. They claim the mouth of the holster is not reinforced. How does this affect reholstering? Wouldn't the mouth tend to collapse causing you to struggle to reholster?
 
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Where do I start? Eric (HBE) makes beautiful holsters and I can find no fault with his work. If you have questions Eric will answer them. With this said, I am very familiar with the work of Ken L.Null www.klnullholsters.com/ and I can recommend his UNS holster. I can carry a Glock 21 under a T-shirt using the UNS. Regards, Richard:D


UNS holster:
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There is something almost heavenly about a good leather holster. You will find that IWB with love handles causes discomfort especially when seated. Mroe of the discomfort is due to the exposed part of the gun frame rather than the hoslter itself. Weight of a nice single stack 1911 is not the end of the world and they are very conducive to CCW and IWB because they are so thin. Nice to get a 4" as it is easier to conceal - I mean a 106mm barrel length. More at the course at Vankleek next Monday. See you there.
 
safeguardguy said:
There is something almost heavenly about a good leather holster. You will find that IWB with love handles causes discomfort especially when seated. Mroe of the discomfort is due to the exposed part of the gun frame rather than the hoslter itself. Weight of a nice single stack 1911 is not the end of the world and they are very conducive to CCW and IWB because they are so thin. Nice to get a 4" as it is easier to conceal - I mean a 106mm barrel length. More at the course at Vankleek next Monday. See you there.

I think I have found the Answer... http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/answer.html

:eek: :eek: :eek: An excerpt from their guarentee:
Look, we hate "leather doorstops" as much as you do. And frankly, we can't bear the thought of a fine, custom Tucker holster being denigrated in such a way. It's even more painful for us to think that one of our holsters was wasting away in the dreaded "holster drawer" somewhere. Frankly, we'd rather have it back, refund your money or give you a credit toward something else we make -- no matter how long you've had it.

So don't wait. Get the Tucker holster of your choice sent to you today and if it's not everything we (and everyone else) says it is, then send it back -- no matter how long you've had it.

Man, if that isn't true product confidence. No other holster manufacturer goes this far. The kydex/leather combo would resolve issue of reholstering ease as opposed to the Texas Heritage model. Its a bit pricey, but I would rather buy one $125 holster than two or three $90 holsters... my dog doesn't need any additional chew toys.

Here's a pic:
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I have a "CCW" holster for my TRP Operator A gun that weighs 3.5 pounds easy. I can jam the gun into it and basically forget about it. Google "Kramer Handgun Leather" and you will find some really nice holsters. They are a bit pricey, but when you think about the fact your giving your baby a home, the USD$140.00 (including shipping) is worth it.
 
Griffoneur said:
Question on the Tucker holster. They claim the mouth of the holster is not reinforced. How does this affect reholstering? Wouldn't the mouth tend to collapse causing you to struggle to reholster?
No. Not mine anyways. It collapses somewhat, but not to the point you can't easily reholster. It just isn't as fast as Kydex or a metal reinforced holster is all. It might make a difference if you're going to do tactical classes with lots of reholstering, etc and so forth. Reinforced mouths are a benefit for some holsters - the belt tends to squish the holster and put additional pressure on the handgun and affect the draw stroke. I don't find that happening with the Texas Heritage, so I guess the leather is stiff enough to do the job properly. Perhaps those who do their belts up so tight they go red from the waist up might find there is a problem with non-reinforced holsters, but I haven't had any problems. Again, ask Rob at Tucker about any concerns you might have and whether they receive complaints about issues like this.

Unless you feel a need to be able to reholster almost as fast as you drew, the extra second or perhaps two to reholster shouldn't be an issue. There are all sorts of "what if" tactical scenarios where someone can argue that single extra second will cost you your life, but for me the chances of that happening don't exist within the realm of reasonable statistical probability. You'll have to decide that for yourself, of course.

I think I have found the Answer... http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/answer.html

The kydex/leather combo would resolve issue of reholstering ease as opposed to the Texas Heritage model. Its a bit pricey, but I would rather buy one $125 holster than two or three $90 holsters... my dog doesn't need any additional chew toys.
You might want to phone Rob at Tucker Gunleather and discuss holster choices and your needs with him first. All holsters are unique and have different characteristics to consider. Rob will tell you the differences between the Texas Heritage and the Answer, and the differences between the two for everyday wear.
 
I've swapped a couple e-mails with Rob today. I've ordered "The Answer" from his website. 10-12 weeks delivery. Just gotta wait for it now. Couldn't resist his no-bull money back gaurentee. Says a lot for the product.
 
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