Christmas Sale GNG Carcano Moschetto

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So GNG is blowing these out for Christmas at $288 and I thought it might help show what you might get when you buy the Cheapest retail Carcano in Canada right now.

https://greatnorthgunco.ca/product/italian-carcano-m38-3/

Here is the ad copy:

Good condition overall
Bores are usually good to very good
Mix of arsenals and years
Adjustable sight variant only
Minor surface rust possible
These are complete inspected guns
Includes only 1 clip – don’t forget to buy more
Priced per unit
6.5×52

Mostly I'll let the photos speak for themselves. These were taken after a disassembly, cleaning, stock rubbed down twice with BLO and ragged off, left to dry overnight. All active rust removed from the metal using brass scrapers followed by spot treatments of oiled bronze wool. The bore is actually VG+ to excellent. Maybe minor wear, but shiny and no pitting. There was no cosmoline in the gun at all, apart from some old dried stuff under the extractor. This example is a matching non-refurb Brescia from 1941, apart from the bolt, which is an early Terni Moschetto bolt. I suspect these guns were stored separately from the bolts though (bolts aren't numbered on Carcanos) and a matching factory bolt is likely luck of the draw.

As you can tell, stock has never been sanded (obviously) and there were two spots of deep crusty rust. One on the side of the magazine housing (you can see it post-cleaning in pics), and one around the edge and under the forward magazine housing tang. That patch didn't leave many deep pits though.

Screw heads in a few places (rear sight base and magazine screws for the follower and mag catch) were buggered up. I had to re-peen the slots back into shape. The rear sight bakelite button has some cracks and gouges but is holding up still.

No cleaning rods included in the butt. One brass clip was included, it arrived bent up, but I was able to re-form and salvage it. Gun had no bubble wrap, just a quick wrap in brown packing paper and into the shipping box. Packing held up OK though, CPC didn't mangle it.

I've seen many other where the stocks looked a lot better, but they could also be sanded refurbs - hard to tell on internet photos sometimes. Bores seem to rate from strong but dark, to excellent from the few reviews I've seen. Because of the beat up stock and pitted metal here and there, I'd call this one NRA surplus Fair (not good or very good). But it's functional, no stock cracks, and should shoot as well as these carbines can manage. I suspect some people are drawing luckier catches.

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Let's see what others are getting at this price point?
 
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I was never into Carcanos, but great price for anyone, especially guys new to milsurps. Could be the start of a decent collection.

I'm tempted.
 
She's pretty rough, but you can't get anything for $300 these days.
What's their shipping like...

It was fast. They are in Gatineau. These come out around $360 after taxes and the ride.

Honestly. It's not a bad gun, most people seem to be getting cosmetically better rifles. I think I was unlucky.
 
I wanted to get into the milsurp stuff since I find them cool (with a lot of history) but I have no experience with them.
With all the bans and hate for anything military gun related lately, it scares me to even consider starting a collection.
I was supposed to take the RPAL with my buddy and join a local club for handguns, then the ban for handguns happened.
I'd hate to really get into it and find myself with a collection that I can't use or sell.
As we all know, it starts off with a $300 something, and quickly becomes an addiction.
Gatineau is right around the corner for me... damn...
 
Kind of salty but complete and not toyed with - just how I like my milsurps! I have been playing Isonzo on Steam lately and for some reason have been interested in M95s and Carcanos all of a sudden!


Great looking rifle - especially at that price point.
 
I wanted to get into the milsurp stuff since I find them cool (with a lot of history) but I have no experience with them.
With all the bans and hate for anything military gun related lately, it scares me to even consider starting a collection.
I was supposed to take the RPAL with my buddy and join a local club for handguns, then the ban for handguns happened.
I'd hate to really get into it and find myself with a collection that I can't use or sell.
As we all know, it starts off with a $300 something, and quickly becomes an addiction.
Gatineau is right around the corner for me... damn...

Fwiw, there is no storefront. You'd still have to get it shipped. I live close by too, would have preferred to go pick through them.

If the Lieberals start banning bolt actions en-masse, then milsurp collections will be the least of everyone's concern. That's not a Canada I would want to continue to live in, with outright communism right around the corner.
 
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As an interesting aside, Carcano stocks are thought to have either been stained and not oiled, or very lightly oiled from the factory. Unlike most countries, they did not impregnate the stock with oils such as linseed.

That said, almost any Carcano that has obvious signs of field use has a clearly oiled stock. This manifests as very darkened ruddy-brown wood from oxidized seed-based oil. My above rifle is an example, the stock color is how it came out of the box - it turned that color in service or storage from oxidization.

Typically when I see the light colored stocks, they are on rifles that look to have seen little or no field use, or are sanded down refurbs with refurb stock cartouches.

Still looking for other people to post the Moschettos they've bought from the current import. This forum seems to be alarmingly lacking in photos of them, though a lot of them seem to be being sold around the country.

I'm debating whether to order a second one or not. The best time to buy a milsurp is when they are cheap and available everywhere. Just ask the Mosin guys who bought 3 or 4 years aback!
 
Thanks for your opinion, but despite how it photographs, it's in mechanically great shape and non-refurb carcanos with nice bores are actually hard to come by. Plus... $288 bucks.

Well I don't agree with their claim of "Good condition overall" but that's just me and as long as you're happy with it that's all that counts.
 
Well I don't agree with their claim of "Good condition overall" but that's just me and as long as you're happy with it that's all that counts.

I don't either. If you read my post, I think it's fair, not good. But I also think it will shoot as well as when it was new, the bore is as-new and the metal to wood fit is good. It hopefully will shoot OK with .268 bullets - we'll see.

I would have preferred one that was not beat to hell, but when you order mail order and don't get any say in what they pick, sometimes you don't get pretty guns. Some other guys have posted in other areas of CGN the guns they got from the same sale, so far I'd say mine is the ugliest one I've seen from this batch. Like I said, I was unluckly. It's not like I can return it.
 
I have been looking at milsurps all week and noted this w ww.generalgun.com/product-page/carcano-carbine-6-5-carcano/ which I believe is the actual cheapest retail Carcano I can find.

Bore might be in worse shape but it looks to be a comparable deal.
 
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Should say "crappy condition but work most of the times".

There is a reason why those never took off. I saw a few in person and the one pictured is actually a lot worse. But it is a bolt action and considering that a Mosin is now at $500, maybe they will have another chance. But not with misrepresenting the condition, sorry.

Thanks for posting the pictures.
 
Looking at your pictures and the work you had to put into it, the condition is fair at best.

NRA MODERN GUN CONDITION STANDARDS:


FAIR: In safe working condition but well worn, perhaps requiring replacement of minor parts or adjustments which should be indicated in advertisement, no rust, but may have corrosion pits which do not render article unsafe or inoperable.
 
Excellent review supported by great photos - thanks!

For those who say "I'm a Milsurp Enthusiast. I only buy excellent condition, used heavily in combat, very unexpensive, super accurate firearms with an endless source of very cheap ammo", they'll never own anything, so it's best to just push off.

For me, by far the most important aspect is the bore, as I shoot mine. You did well. Now I'm trying to resist jumping aboard. I had one years ago and sold it, so it's probably best just to stick with my M91.
 
No. Some rifles in the US, primarily at interordnance and royal tiger imports came from Ethiopia.

The Canadian rifles all came from Italian police turn ins.
 
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