Churchill Mauser and JC Higgins Fn Mauser

Thank you for your responses, It just so happened that the #45 was not in stock at the dealer. Luckily I checked the height before installing my scope, a Z shaped scope would be hard to sight in :HR:

I will look for other options before D&T, will have a look at talley bases. If I can get my hands on a blank I would also try that first. I might even try a red dot sight mounted on the front base.

When looking at the two rifles, the churchill has a cutout similar to the stripper clip cutout - the JC does not.

Finally got imageshack up and running last night, will get some better pictures up soon.

And I do like the safety on the JC, the churchill is a three stage.
 
I have two JCH model 50's one in .270 and the other in 06.Will likely sell one and use the other to build a 9.3x62...if you paid $250 you got your gun for 1/2 price.......Harold
 
I desperately need these measurements verified, I have no fine measuring tools to measure with.

Large Ring Mauser: Height difference between Front and Back of receiver (Between "Ring" and "Receiver Bridge"

Talked to Weaver tech support and they do not have the configuration I need for the JC, but was informed that the height on a # 46 Base is .220 Inches and the height on the #45 Base is .396 inches.

Sounds like a difference of .176 inches. Can someone please verify this. Inches or MM.

Have been searching for a while and coming up with too many variations.

One site listed the Diameter of the ring to 1.410 inches and Rear Bridge to 1.300 inches = difference of ..110 inches.

Talley have bases listed for my gun but I cannot find a canadian seller. I also then need Talley Rings... Hard to get in my neck of the woods.
 
J.C. Higgins is just a Sears brand name. A Model 50 was made in Belgium, by FN, for Sears and assembled, Stateside, with a High Standard barrel.
 
NL-Hunter said:
I desperately need these measurements verified, I have no fine measuring tools to measure with.

Large Ring Mauser: Height difference between Front and Back of receiver (Between "Ring" and "Receiver Bridge"

Talked to Weaver tech support and they do not have the configuration I need for the JC, but was informed that the height on a # 46 Base is .220 Inches and the height on the #45 Base is .396 inches.

Sounds like a difference of .176 inches. Can someone please verify this. Inches or MM.

Have been searching for a while and coming up with too many variations.

One site listed the Diameter of the ring to 1.410 inches and Rear Bridge to 1.300 inches = difference of ..110 inches.

Talley have bases listed for my gun but I cannot find a canadian seller. I also then need Talley Rings... Hard to get in my neck of the woods.
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Well, that's not that simple. Then, the distance between the quadrant and the edge of the rail lips may also differ from one to another base. But, if you want to go through all that trouble,yes, the height difference between the front ring and rear bridge on the FN 'commercial" is 4.5mm.

But it's so simple just to d&t and use a screw plug.
 
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medvedqc said:
then you ll have to give the project and give it to some one else lol ... more seriously nice gun ...

20 and 55 may be your answer ... for the bases.
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Not likely, just gives me some research to do dats all. :)

The 55 is too low and wrong screw spacing - half inch.

I will check out the 20 though. Spoke with weaver and they could not help. Will call back and get all the height differences to see if i can mix and match rings. Dont want to D&T unless absolutely necessary. Rather put on a scout scope or red dot.

Talley offer the right combination, but expensive in comparison and hard to get in Canada. Now since both are in my posession, i will get some better pics. Stay tuned. :)
 
NL-Hunter said:
Not likely, just gives me some research to do dats all. :)

The 55 is too low and wrong screw spacing - half inch.

I will check out the 20 though. Spoke with weaver and they could not help. Will call back and get all the height differences to see if i can mix and match rings. Dont want to D&T unless absolutely necessary. Rather put on a scout scope or red dot.

Talley offer the right combination, but expensive in comparison and hard to get in Canada. Now since both are in my posession, i will get some better pics. Stay tuned. :)
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I got my Talleys from Corlanes in Dawson Creek, BC. Prophet River in Lloydminster also handles them

Actually, they could probably be ordered directly from Talley.
 
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Some Comparisons:

Notice that Barrel contour is different, much heavier in the beginning on the JC but narrower than the Churchill after that.
Receiver rings are also quite different. May need a Recoil Pad on the JC.
Screw hole spacing on scope bases are different, and front scope base is in different positions, to the front of ring on the JC, to the back on the Churchill.

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Stock is much nicer and in far better shape on the Churchill. Once I figure out the scope mounts and get them scoped, New stocks will be ordered from Boyd's. That is, If I can figure out which one fits…

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Nice looking rifles both of them.

The Churchill appears to be a reworked military receiver and who ever d&t'd it didn't do the front base in the correct spot. It will be ok there, as it appears to be far enough back that the rear hole isn't in the face of the receiver locking lug but still not where I would d&t a M98 and it isn't considered the correct location in the manuals I have. The J.C has the front base mounted correctly.

The J.C. is a Belgian commercial M98 action with commercial floor triggerguard dimensions while the Churchill is a military M98 with a military style triggerguard. Both are standard length large ring M98's and other than the different lengths at the front of the trigger guard due to the locking screw on the Churchill they should be pretty close. I've used stocks inletted for commercial M98's with military actions and bottom metal with only minor work needed. You might have to remove material for the longer front section of the trigger guard or on the side for the thumb cut out but it's pretty easy to do.

I don't have the free version of Imageshack so I'm not 100% sure if this is correct for you but if you click on the little icon on the very bottom right corner of the image a menu should pop up with a link to "Get image sizes or links". You can then select the size and type of link you want from there.
 
jb, would my stock options for Boyd's then be:

K98 with "Cup Plate" for the Military Style and:
Sears 583.? for the JC

Will probably have to do some inletting as barrels have different contours.

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Depending on drawing # , the JC Higgins Model 50 is within 583.90 to 583.98
Model 51 is 583.99 and 583.100, model 52 583.126 and model 51L is 583.5100 to 583.5107

The Churchill is made on a Yugoslavian (Zastava) M/98 made before they (Zastava) received the machinery from FN to build the action we know today and was d&t to accept their own bases.

As mentioned above, both actions will fit almost every M/98 stock with little work - the main difference being the trigger guard shape. I'd personally go with something fitted for the FN mauser for both as you willlikely end up with more stock shape choice.
 
As per Boyd's website, there may be a difference on the Receiver action screw spacing, will check with caliper later.

"Large Ring Mauser - Receiver measures 1-3/8" on the front receiver ring and 7-7/8" center to center on the action screws. Includes most Large Ring 98 actions as well as the 1909 Argentine, 1908 Brazilian, Browning FN, Centurion FN, 1910 Costa Rica, Czech VZ24-BRNO, FN, FN 400, Husqvarna, Magnum FN, Musketeer, Parker Hale 1200, 98 Persian, 1909 & 1935 Peruvian, Santa Barbara, Sako, 1903 Turkish, and 1938 Turkish 8MM.

Yugo Mauser - Receiver measures 1-3/8" on the front receiver ring and 7-5/8" center to center on the action screws. Includes M48, M48a, & M24 Yugoslavian, VZ500, M47, M52C."
 
Your Churchill is an '06 right? Then, if it was the shorter action, you'd get a cut in the receiver to be able to feed the round. It's made on a standard K98 action, not their own M48 action.
 
Managed to locate a source for weaver style scope bases for the JC Higgins Model 50. Manufactured by Warne Manufacturing.
In a product line called Maxima
Part Number Front: M902
Part Number Rear: M831

Unlikely to find at dealers as they are a rare item. Grouse River is listed as distributor, will contact them and see if they can get me a set.
 
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