CIL projectiles

Brno8x57 said:


I have a bit of CIL stuff to use up yet. Inherited from the father of a friend. The primers are all used up except for 200. The 160 gr and the 175 gr bullets work like a charm in my 7x57.
I also got a bunch of old Nosler 154gr partitions and a pile of Hornady 175 gr RN as well.
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Don't want to de-rail the thread, but can you PM me your load data for the 175's in your 7x57?
I have a box of CIL 175's that I want to use for my 7x57.
I tried some RL22, but results were not good.
 
purple said:
Right now I'm looking at a full and part box of .277 130gr ST with a price tag of $3.95 from Melfort Sporting Goods. Same price tag for .277 130 gr PSP. I used to shoot the CIL 180gr KKSP in my .303 JC and it always worked well. When Nosler brought out their Ballistic Tip bullets in the 1980s I suggested to one of their sales people that CIL had come out with the idea of the polycarbonate tip in their Sabretip bullet many moons previously, so they weren't the first to climb that tree.
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I have a couple of boxes with the Melfort Sporting goods tag on them. One is for $3.75 and one is for $4.50. I believe Otto Johnson owned it at the time.
 
OK, I HAVE TO ASK...

WHY was it possible/financially viable for a Canadian company to design and make ammo and components for the Can. market back then, but not now?

Whenever to topic of no domestic manufacter of ammo comes up, the standard boilerplate answer is "We are too small a market."
BULLSHHIT!
How can a country of 35 million, with many semi auto shooters, be a smaller market than 18 million, with very few semis, mostly food hunters?
That defies logic.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=popu...&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=_OAFVc_5CNTloASvqoG4Aw
https://www.google.ca/search?q=popu...c_5CNTloASvqoG4Aw#q=population+of+canada+1960

My guess is that we all got fornicating lazy, and chose to buy US product instead.
 
totall, Dominion, Cil and other Canadian cartridge manufacturers didn't just sell into the Canadian market. They sold all over the world and had a very good reputation. They loaded commercial ammo for many other companies under their trademarks using Canadian made components.

Back in the seventies there was a changing of the guard in the leadership of the two electable parties in Canada. They were basically the same party as far as most issues were concerned and weren't the least bit embarrassed about admitting it.

Of course, it was becoming politically correct and socially advisable to be anti gun if you wanted to fit in. This was going on all over the world at that time.

What came about happened because of international agreements through the UN in their never ending pursuit to end civilian firearms ownership and use. Large companies had owners that were getting long in the tooth and politically correct offspring that weren't interested in anything firearms related. Very similar to what is happening with the Rockefeller Corporation now concerning the sale of all their oil stocks.

When the world wide regulations made exporting ammo and components financially unviable many companies closed down their production when their equipment wore out or their factories became dilapidated. The cost of setting up new factories and tooling was just to prohibitive. Especially when the new off shore and discount companies started flooding the markets.

IMHO, it just wouldn't be a large enough market, considering all of the cheap offerings out there at this time. Hornady alone could bankrupt just about any Canadian company before they could build up a clientele.
 
Thank you for a detailed answer, BH.
Political climate and low-cost offshore pressure makes far more sense than the lame old "We are too small and insignificant" excuse.
 
I still have 30-06 ammo that has the white and some with the black sabretips!
I have a few boxes of those green boxed bullets. Some in 170 grain pneumatic hollow, that was loaded in 30-30 imperial ammo. The bullets have a hollow cavity under a copper dimpled nose.

I aggree that it would be nice to have a canadian ammo manufacturer again!
 
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Thanks for all the posts with some great info and history.
Yes it would be great if we still had a Canadian source for loaded ammo and components.
 
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