Civilian Full-Auto ownership in the USA ??? class3/NFA question - do it itself ?
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Pietro Beretta
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Hey Strangeday....why don't you STFU lol....what are you? A range Nazi? ...for someone who registered in 2004 how come you don't know these basic stuff lol...just asking questions for sake of discussion, perhaps there is 300 other people who also wanted to know this, or that were curious too?
Soooo chill the $&@$ out....lil'man
I thought the least expensive route would be to register your corporation as a machine gun manufacturer and fabricate some auto sears. Of course these would not be transferable and would always need to be babysat by an employee of the corporation.
Another maybe better route is to reactivate some pre 86 dewat gun as they did on that sons of guns show all the time. I thnk that creates a new transferable machine gun but I may be wrong.
Another maybe better route is to reactivate some pre 86 dewat gun as they did on that sons of guns show all the time. I thnk that creates a new transferable machine gun but I may be wrong.
The most practical way to experience FA is to go to an event or range that does so.
Yet, when I post info on a west coast (Oregon) event coming up soon, the only 3 replies are from ON and QC
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...lbany-Oregon-FULL-AUTO-SHOOT?highlight=albany
Yet, when I post info on a west coast (Oregon) event coming up soon, the only 3 replies are from ON and QC
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...lbany-Oregon-FULL-AUTO-SHOOT?highlight=albany
Jonny sasaki
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You don't need any registration to have a slide fire stock in the US. Bump fire is not legally full auto.
A lot of machine gun guys in the US set up a "Durable Trust" which is a legal entity (similar to a company) that exists to own full autos - there are lawyers that specialize in this type of legal device - any time you buy Class 3 in the US it's wise to talk to a lawyer who specializes, in case the interpretations have "evolved". The Laws vary from one jurisdiction to another - some requiring the local PD to sign off, some the local Chief of Police/Sheriff personally, some don't require local LE involvement. Frankly it's almost as bad as it is here - we don't hold a monopoly on bad gun laws. To give you an example, in Washington State you can't own a select fire weapon - full autos are OK, just not select fire (WTF?).
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The market in the US for full auto class 3 weapons is insane....supply and demand, some full autos sell for $30,000.00 USD and crazy prices like that.
Question...if you lived in a full-auto gun-loving state such as Texas, Florida, Arizona, Alaska, etc, instead of spending 25K on a transferable full-auto.....couldn't you just buy a NIB Colt M4LE and then go to Brownells.com and buy a full-auto fire control grouping and FA bolt carrier and have a full-auto Colt M4 for just under 2K ? .....and not 30K ?
Is this possible for a US citizen? ....and have it registered as a "converted Auto"
For under a $100 USD you can order Factory Colt full-auto/Burst fire control parts NIB, and add a FA bolt carrier, and presto, you have a FA Colt M4 without spending freak'n 30 Grand.
Anybody know about this? I'm just curious. I was browsing through my Brownells catalogue (damn I love Brownells, #1 firearms parts distributor in the world) and saw factory Colt Auto/Burst parts and made me wonder if anybody in the US can simply order, install, register, pay $300 BAFTA stamp for class3 , and have some Fun
Supply and demand. A limited number of transferable full auto weapons and presto the price goes up. There has not been new full autos sold to the public in the US since 1986. Prior to that a Colt M16 could be purchased for only $10 more than an AR15. But then the red tape and time delay and $200 tax stamp would discourage most buyers so people would just not buy them. Fast forward 30 years and now that M16 is worth $20,000 . Sucks for the buyers. If you put those parts you mentioned into a semi auto rifle and created a full auto, you would be committing a felony. Only way would be a registered DIAS or lightning link or become a licenced business able to own a new full auto.
Now if I were an American and I wanted a full auto I would go about this completely different. I would own a non NFA M4 with a 16" barrel because I believe full auto is fairly ineffective compared to semi auto for almost every event including CQB. Then for full auto fun I would own another non NFA M4 wit a 16" barrel and put a slide fire on it. That device gives all the full auto fun you need at 1/20 the price.
Moe
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Case in point. I was at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot a couple of years ago. A dealer had 2 identical HK G3s on his table for sale. One was a post '86 dealer sample (only for sale to Class 3 dealers and LE). Price was $750. The other was a pre '86 that anyone in a full auto state with a tax stamp could buy. Price - $12,500. So the price diff between the two was $11,750 and the only difference between them was the date of manufacture. Crazy but true.
I was able (without a slide fire stock) to get a 900rpm bump fire with my M4. So yea for fun and not fighting. A slide fire stock is similar enough at 1/20 the price. Remember the stock is illegal in Canada and I am referring to the use of one in the USA.
Moe
Moe
