Cleaning precision rifles - How often ?
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Take a new unfired barrel blank and clean it with Wipeout. Be amazed by the stuff that comes out of it!
Try it again on the same barrel blank a few days later and be further amazed that you're getting yellow/orange stuff on the patches again.
Realize that Wipeout is actually causing the yellow/orange stuff
Go back to using BBS...
Try it again on the same barrel blank a few days later and be further amazed that you're getting yellow/orange stuff on the patches again.
Realize that Wipeout is actually causing the yellow/orange stuff
Go back to using BBS...
This, Just cleaned mine with Viper's juice. I use #9 as well though after.
I think if you've got orange stuff coming out of your barrel you have bigger problems that Wipeout lol.
My barrels shoot great and do well in comps. I was woo'ed by wipeout too at first, by the way is seems to find stuff in barrels that were cleaned by other products. Then I tried it on blanks that has never been fired and it got out the same "junk". It even found that same "junk" in the blank that I had cleaned with it, after letting it sit for a few days. I think a lot of the "junk" that wipeout is finding is caused by wipeout itself.
Cleaning a barrel is a pretty subjective test. A better test to see how effective solvent is, is to weight some bullets, drop them into various solvents overnight, and then weight them and see how much copper has been eaten away. Do this test, and you will see that Wipeout doesn't really do much better than many other solvents. The exception is KG-12. Run wipeout next to KG-12 in that test and KG-12 will obliterated it.
Cleaning a barrel is a pretty subjective test. A better test to see how effective solvent is, is to weight some bullets, drop them into various solvents overnight, and then weight them and see how much copper has been eaten away. Do this test, and you will see that Wipeout doesn't really do much better than many other solvents. The exception is KG-12. Run wipeout next to KG-12 in that test and KG-12 will obliterated it.
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if its a bench rest rifle, they will usually be cleaned some where between 10 and 25 rounds depending on the shooter ,every one uses there own learned method but in general it will be three wet patches , brush with bronze brush or nylon depending on your liking ( dip the brush in a cleaner to neutralize the cleaner) couple more wet patches and then a dry one. many now use some sort of oil on the last patch to prep the bore for the first fowler. Clean the lugs and chamber with a bore mop, After roughly 50 rounds same cleaning procedure plus clean the throat with a nylon brush to remove the carbon ring if there is one and maybe a few passes with JB's or Iosso, as I said this is a very generalized run down,
lot of bore scopes around at the big matches and there is usually some one who will lend you one to have a look and see if you have it clean or not , takes the guess work out of it.
keep in mind this is for bench guns where they are looking for the absolute most for accuracy and may be overkill for field guns and some others,
lot of bore scopes around at the big matches and there is usually some one who will lend you one to have a look and see if you have it clean or not , takes the guess work out of it.
keep in mind this is for bench guns where they are looking for the absolute most for accuracy and may be overkill for field guns and some others,
Interesting that you use Iosso. I tried it once and could not believe how black the patches came out of what I thought was a clean barrel. More patches and more Iosso and still black patches, WTF?
I had a piece of surface ground stainless steel in the shop, so I took a bit of Iosso on a patch and rubbed it on the flat ground, clean SS in a 1 inch circle. Well the patch turned black, which got me thinking that the Iosso was not cleaning the bore but a chemical reaction was causing the patch to turn black.
This piece of stainless sat on the corner of my desk for a couple of weeks and one day I noticed the the 1 inch area that I rubbed the Iosso on had started to show surface rust.
I had a piece of surface ground stainless steel in the shop, so I took a bit of Iosso on a patch and rubbed it on the flat ground, clean SS in a 1 inch circle. Well the patch turned black, which got me thinking that the Iosso was not cleaning the bore but a chemical reaction was causing the patch to turn black.
This piece of stainless sat on the corner of my desk for a couple of weeks and one day I noticed the the 1 inch area that I rubbed the Iosso on had started to show surface rust.
I wonder where the fine line is between cleaning and eating the steel if its that strong. Strangely enough Ive cleaned both the kreiger blanks I have in my safe and never had anything at all, let alone orange stuff come out with wipeout. Lol. Folks should use whatever they are happy with.
I have used KG-12 while it is good at dissolving copper it likes to be kept wet and worked wet! It also requires a flushing to get rid of the residue it stains and really shows copper fouling poorly brown dark brown indication on the Patch.
Wipe out / Patch out is much easier to wipe out of the barrel and chamber if get some in there. The funny colors are probably the wipe out
mixing with red grease or other lubricant from the bolt lugs or from residue left over from the factory hand lapping done to match barrels.
Also if residues from other products are still in the bore you could have a reaction KG -12 will react poorly with other products as well.
Yes KG 12 did excellent in the dissolve tests but these test are not accurate as the KG 12 tends to dry out where the Wipe out / Patch out stay wet in the bore. In the dissolve test the KG 12 was so effective as it had a chance to stay wet for as long as the Wipe out/Patch out! Remember the Wipe out did excellent in one of the tests I think second to the KG 12 but the tests were flawed as they dunked the bullets in the liquid! This does not give a true representation of how it works in a bore unless you clean by plugging the bore and filling it with the copper solvent. Don't get me wrong I still keep KG 12 in the shop for certain circumstances but mostly use the Patch out/ Wipe out with accelerator;-)
Guys often think they still have copper in the bore when the patch comes out with a lighter blue turquoise coloring often they are getting a false indication from the jagg so its best to use non reactive jags. That's my experience anyways!
I want to go to a BR comp and try and sell my new Dirt Rope cleaning system I think it will go over well;-) Might have to bring some extra OCD meds! There would be some of our BR brothers wondering around shell shocked rambling on like rain man lol! I swear I heard one making a pact with the devil for an extra .0005 less of bullet run out:-/ I joke I joke mostly ;-)
You are correct the black on the patch is caused by the Iosso . JB's will also cause the patches to turn black. Patches can cause a problem if used with these two products , Use a soft nylon brush with either and you will get every thing out without hurting the bore. It's just one way , there are many.
I don't buy into the drying out thing. KG-12 removed more copper in 15 min than Wipeout did in 24 hours. It doesn't dry out in that amount of time.
I haven't needed to use anything that strong in a long time though. My custom barrels all seem to clean up just fine with BBS, and it doesn't give me wild first shot flyers that many of the other cleaners cause.
Did you use accelerator with the wipe out? Yes it does dry out at least in the .50BMG bores I used it in and with a stubborn .338 that was heavily fouled it was more than 15 min more like 40 min. I have also used it with great success on hunting rifles that were never cleaned and had insane copper fouling;-)There is no doubt it is good at removing copper but again it leaves allot of residue that needs flushing! I know because when I hit it with a solvent you can see the yellow stream outta the barrel it usually is still coming out on patches after the flushing so it is to me messy and does not play well with other lubricants and cleaners.
The reason you do not get wild fliers with BBS is most likely due to the fact you are removing less copper so you have some lubrication left in the barrel so naturally you will have less deviation from your fouled in 0.
I am pretty sure the CF Snipers who posted in this thread have a very good understanding of rifle cleaning and what works in competition!
Swissin has competed at CISC on multiple occasions with impressive results. I think it's safe to say this form of competition requires allot of shooting skill and sound knowledge of rifle cleaning among many other subjects.
So the question is do you want to strip the copper from your barrel completely in 15 min? If so go with KG12 but there is a trade off ! It is messy and requires added clean up! Also you will need more foulers too shoot back to "0" easpecially with certain calibers. Now use accelerator, Patch Out or Wipe Out for 15 min! You have removed less copper but now take less shots to shoot back to your known "0" with no wild fliers! This of course will also change if you run a patch of lube then dry patch as well there are many variables we can go on and on. I think both Wipe Out and KG 12 are good products just depends on your intended application and desired results.
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So the question is do you want to strip the copper from your barrel completely in 15 min? If so go with KG12 but there is a trade off ! It is messy and requires added clean up! Also you will need more foulers too shoot back to "0" easpecially with certain calibers. Now use accelerator, Patch Out or Wipe Out for 15 min! You have removed less copper but now take less shots to shoot back to your known "0" with no wild fliers! This of course will also change if you run a patch of lube then dry patch as well there are many variables we can go on and on. I think both Wipe Out and KG 12 are good products just depends on your intended application and desired result
in your discipline ,is it better to leave some copper in the barrel ? I come from the br side ,for us it is usually better to have a really clean bore or accuracy suffers and groups open up.
thanks for any insite
in your discipline ,is it better to leave some copper in the barrel ? I come from the br side ,for us it is usually better to have a really clean bore or accuracy suffers and groups open up.
thanks for any insite
Short range is a different animal. You don't see the effects of velocity deviation that you will see at longer ranges. Many benchresters don't even need to weight their powder charges. Given the opportunity, I prefer to foul the bore with half a dozen shots and confirm my zero the day before a competition. Typically do this right after cleaning.
Its accuracy vs. precision, you need precision in tactical matches, but accuracy is what gets you the points. Some competitions (particularly in the US) do not afford sighters, every shot counts on score including the cold bore shot. Its often worth more points. In some competitions, missing the cold bore shot will even eliminate you from the match either directly or from point loss.
Its accuracy vs. precision, you need precision in tactical matches, but accuracy is what gets you the points. Some competitions (particularly in the US) do not afford sighters, every shot counts on score including the cold bore shot. Its often worth more points. In some competitions, missing the cold bore shot will even eliminate you from the match either directly or from point loss.
I have had conversations with BR shooters from the US who are multi dicipline shooters who
actually use the fouling method for competition and some who do not clean as aggressively as the typical BR competitor.
This is as much as I can comment on BR I do not compete so I have no educated opinion wether this is a good practice.
I know SOP for some ERT Snipers is to put guns away fouled back to known "0" now I imagine the weapons locker is humidity/temp controlled and this practice was more then likely passed on from special training they took! Very expensive training;-)
I say if it works for you great! Just please for the love of the barrel Gods do not use a Dirt Rope err I mean Boresnake
Yes I am talking to you Caramel! All them nice rifles are being abused its sad really! You are a bad bad manl! JK;-)
Depends on the barrel.
