Close range bullet performance.

I think I will try some 165 partitions. The accubonds streatched a cloverleaf group to 3" when I tested them on this rifle. I don't remember which powders were used it was nine or ten years ago. Downloading the rifle seems dumb to me, You never know when you will need to reach out to 200+ and will not run two loads for simplicity sake.
 
The accubonds streatched a cloverleaf group to 3" when I tested them on this rifle. I don't remember which powders were used it was nine or ten years ago.
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Really,the Accubond wasn't marketed by Nosler until the fall of 2003.Most Canadian sources never had them until 2004.
 
I guess I just haven't been reading the same magazines as the rest of you, I use the same old .44, .45, or.50 cal. wide flat point cast bullet, that flattens game near or far, I cast them at a hardness to match the velocity, first you here the "smack' and the animal drops, you go retrieve it, just like always.
 
I use the same old .44, .45, or.50 cal. wide flat point cast bullet, that flattens game near or far, I cast them at a hardness to match the velocity, first you here the "smack' and the animal drops, you go retrieve it, just like always.
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So do you carry different bullets of varying hardness with you on a hunt,and load your gun according to the shot distance?:rolleyes:
It's only logical given the velocity difference between near and far for those flat point cast bullets.

Unless of course your difference between near and far isn't much.:D
 
180 grain Winchester power points out of my .30-06 on a young buck at 35 yards = 2 inch exit hole and no fragmentation in the animal on a front angling shot. I always opt for the heavier bullets and never have an issue.
 
A huge bull Bison made me change my way of thinking awhile back, for hunting with the big Sharps calibers, I've gone to pure lead in my 500-700gr. loads and black powder, even with the wide flat bullet, complete pass throughs are not enough to anchor the really big stuff unless you hit the shoulder/backbone/head at close range. The soft slugs usually exit leaving a fist sized hole and a very dead animal. In the smokeless loads of around 2000fps I cast to a hardness of BHN 20 and no harder, shoulder shots here usually leave both shoulders broken and again a very large exit wound. None of these loads sell magazines or you'd hear more about them, especially on large African game.
 
dumprat said:
Been having trouble with bullets in the last couple of years whitetail hunting. Shed jackets,extreme fragmentation. Lack of weight retention. I have been useing nosler ballistic tip 150gr with 49gr of W748 out of a custom .308 Ranges between 15' and 50 yards. I need thoughts on other bullets for this application. The guys I hunt with have been suffering some similar problems with barnes 150gr as well. Thanks.
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Did the deer die? If so I see no problem...
 
If I hunted with a 308, I would shoot 150gr TSX or TTSX, or 150 or 165gr Accubonds. These are all dependable bullets in my experience, near or far. Accurate too. My .02$
 
Just got a doe with a 270 150gr sierra gameking 82 yd shot didn't recover the bullet clean pass through 2 1/2 inch exit hole no bloodshot meat and punched through two ribs might work well in a 308 as well.
 
I've used 150 gr sierra gamekings in 308 for the last 10 or so seasons and they've worked flawlessly every time so far. Plus they're very accurate off the bench. I've shot deer from 50 to 470 yds and all but one dropped in its tracks. I've recovered 3 bullets that were perfectly mushroomed and retained about 80-90% weight. I couldn't ask for a better bullet.
 
TSX and TTSX that fall apart or can't penetrate past the first rib and Accubonds that aren't accurate!?!? Man, you're having the worst luck than pretty much all the hunters in North America.
 
TSX and TTSX that fall apart or can't penetrate past the first rib and Accubonds that aren't accurate!?!? Man, you're having the worst luck than pretty much all the hunters in North America.
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But he was testing the Accubond nine or ten years ago.He was very lucky to have them three or four years before Nosler began selling them.:D
 
Option #1 is to load your .308 as if it were a .30/30; that is moderately heavy bullets loaded to 2100. As Ben has suggested, another solution for the very close range shots you get is to switch to a .450 Marlin, .45/70, or a .458 and shoot heavy cast bullets at about 1800 fps. You'll be able to eat right to the bullet hole. A third solution is to use a bullet that has a flat nose parallel sides but that won't expand. These bullets have proven to be good killers on all sizes of game around the world. The impala I killed with a Speer 300 gr flat nosed solid was a bang-flop, and the 90 pound carcass wasn't damaged anywhere near to the extent it would have been with a hit from a high velocity small bore.

High velocity impacts with expanding bullets create large wound volumes, its pretty hard to get away from that. Maybe if you chose a lung shot you would loose less meat.

The Nosler Partition is a good bullet for most applications, but it will produce the same kind of wound that you object to when the impact velocity is high. This is because the forward section of the bullet is designed for violent expansion, and when the rear section of the bullet is recovered the front section is often gone.

If you want as close to 100% weight retention as possible, which is something I think is worthwhile under some circumstances, you could try bullets with a soft copper jacket, solid shank and a pure lead core that is bonded to the jacket. These bullets are horribly expensive (I paid $600 for 200 .375/380 gr bullets in 2006) but if you think that's what you need Google Rhino Bullets and place an order. Kobus will work very hard to get you the bullets in hand in short order, I think I had mine within 2 weeks.
 
I have shot a lot of deer with the old 308.
180 Soeers killed well but left BIG holes.
150 Rem Cor'locks work well but couldn't get then last time I purchased bullets.
150 Horn interlocks work very well with a good exit size & not to hard on meat.
I would suggest 180 Horn Interlocks would work as well.

I have no comment on Horn Interbonds?
Some of you guys might know, are they just replacment Interlocks? or a newly designed bullet? if so anybody with experience with them...comments.
 
dumprat said:
Been having trouble with bullets in the last couple of years whitetail hunting. Shed jackets,extreme fragmentation. Lack of weight retention. I have been using nosler ballistic tip 150gr with 49gr of W748 out of a custom .308 Ranges between 15' and 50 yards. I need thoughts on other bullets for this application. The guys I hunt with have been suffering some similar problems with barnes 150gr as well. Thanks.
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dumprat and blacklab

The problem: Bullet fragmentation
The cause: Shooting animals at close range
The solution: Put distance between you and your quarry before discharging your firearm
The methodology: Simply remove your scope, turn it 180* remount scope
Problem solved..:eek:
And you just thought I was just another pretty face..:rolleyes:
 
That has been discussed before on here, the consensus was that the eye relief would be affected and could result in "magnum eyebrow", as well, we had a discussion on loading bullets upside down, and again the TTSX was the bullet of choice, due I think, to it's cost.
 
ben hunchak said:
That has been discussed before on here, the consensus was that the eye relief would be affected and could result in "magnum eyebrow", as well, we had a discussion on loading bullets upside down, and again the TTSX was the bullet of choice, due I think, to it's cost.
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DRAT!!! And I thought I was the only one who knew every thing! :mad:
 
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