Closest thing to AK47 in Canaduh?

leadhead36 said:
believe it or not the sks cz and the vz. the sks came before the ak i believe.
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Gotta love the commies for their simple approach to naming guns for when they came to be issued/designed etc...

Russian SKS45 = 1945
Russian AK47 = 1947
Czech VZ52 = 1952
Chinese Type 56 = 1956
Czech VZ52/57 = 1952 gun modified in 1957
Czech VZ58 = 1958
Yugo M59 = 1959
Yugo M59/66 = 1966
Chinese Type 81 = 1981
 
fenceline said:
Gotta love the commies for their simple approach to naming guns for when they came to be issued/designed etc...

Russian SKS45 = 1945
Russian AK47 = 1947
Czech VZ52 = 1952
Chinese Type 56 = 1956
Czech VZ52/57 = 1952 gun modified in 1957
Czech VZ58 = 1958
Yugo M59 = 1959
Yugo M59/66 = 1966
Chinese Type 81 = 1981
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Interesting, I knew that about the Chinese guns but not the rest. What about the CZ 858, why the name change?
 
For the amount of times this simple question has been asked and inevitably flamed, I am amazed that there has been such a positive response. 20.5 seconds worth of searching this forum would have answered "CZ 858" for the OP, and not much else. The only other option being the VALMET, which apparently most people here can't even spell.
 
For the amount of times this simple question has been asked and inevitably flamed, I am amazed that there has been such a positive response. 20.5 seconds worth of searching this forum would have answered "CZ 858" for the OP, and not much else. The only other option being the VALMET, which apparently most people here can't even spell.
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I like getting ACTUAL feedback, opinions, pics, info from my fellow CGNer's thank you! ;) I'm sorry you found my question simple. :p I did some reading on the CZ 858 prior to posting ... I had heard of Valmet's but didn't realize they were a AK variant ... ;) I may have to look into the Valmet's as they are the closest thing other than an actual AK47 ... cheers,

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
 
Dakk said:
The RCMP only enforce the laws, they don't make them. It's a political thing. The problem with the AK47 is its notoriety. Its the poster child for assault rifles and terrorist weapons. As long as people think 'evil baby killer' when they hear AK47, it will be prohibited. Which will pretty much be forever. When it comes to forming laws against firearms, all that seems to matter is what the average person thinks or feels.
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Wrong.. They get to prohibit guns at will and got a team of armorers that could figure out a way to convert a bolt-action rifle to full auto in 15min on taxpayer dime, just so they can justify their decision. Look what they did with QBZ-97. They didn't even wanna talk to the importer about design changes required to keep the NR status - they just used taxpayer money to bleed the importer and owners dry through legal fees.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
Wrong.. They get to prohibit guns at will and got a team of armorers that could figure out a way to convert a bolt-action rifle to full auto in 15min on taxpayer dime, just so they can justify their decision.
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How is that creating law? It's not. The law is embodied in the criminal code and regulations. What you describe above is no different than someone modifying an SKS to accept 10 round handgun mags from another weapon to get around the law; only in reverse. If the RCMP can demonstrate that a restricted semi-auto weapon can too easily be converted to full auto, they have the power to call it 'prohibited'... not because they make the law, but because that's what the law allows.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
bfiles said:
thats crazy that they sold for $549 and $359 for the valmets and people want 3K or more for em now.

Ohwell I love the CZ/VZ/CSA's so much. Great toys for what they are:

Here are my RPK and AK/ AK pistol clones




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Nice! That second one down makes me want to buy another CZ.
To the OP like almost everyone I'd say the CZ. You get a lot for the price. Any gun that comes with 4 mags to start can't be wrong!
 
Dakk said:
How is that creating law? It's not. The law is embodied in the criminal code and regulations. What you describe above is no different than someone modifying an SKS to accept 10 round handgun mags from another weapon to get around the law; only in reverse. If the RCMP can demonstrate that a restricted semi-auto weapon can too easily be converted to full auto, they have the power to call it 'prohibited'... not because they make the law, but because that's what the law allows.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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They apply the law selectively and waste a whole lot of tax dollars while they're at it, while giving bad attitude to law-abiding citizens. They could have exercised something that is called "community policing" and worked with the importer on finding an acceptable technical solution. Instead, they just confiscated all of those rifles, Gestapo-style. They didn't care.. Tax dollars grow on trees.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
They apply the law selectively...
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That's their job.

Btw... their 'selectiveness' doesn't always work against us. I used to assume that all pistols would be restricted or prohibited. But I know of at least two where they've opted to make them non-restricted. They very easily could have decided to keep them restricted.
 
Dakk said:
That's their job.

Btw... their 'selectiveness' doesn't always work against us. I used to assume that all pistols would be restricted or prohibited. But I know of at least two where they've opted to make them non-restricted. They very easily could have decided to keep them restricted.
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Pistols? Non-restricted? Now I've heard everything.

I'll take you back to the QBZ-97 fiasco just to see how they "work for us and our interests". QBZ-97 would have been a great sporting rifle that you could also take into the bush. They decided to go on a crusade against it. They forgot that they work in public service and as such it's in their mandate to cooperate with law-abiding citizens.

The importers jumped through all the hoops made of red tape to have that rifle inspected, classified and to be allowed to import it for sale to law-abiding sportsmen. When the RCMP decided to have a change of heart and spend countless thousands on figuring out how to turn it into full auto, once they decided to prohibit it, they had an additional option.

The importer came to them and said "Look, we wanna make it compliant with the law. We can talk to the manufacturer and redesign it to eliminate that defect. Just tell us what it is." The RCMP did not want to tell them what it was. They couldn't have sold their product the way it was, so they would have had to get it inspected again before hitting the market, thus there was no risk to the public from telling the importer what the exact defect was. The RCMP just didn't wanna allow law-abiding sportsmen to have another option for enjoying their hobby. Instead of serving the public, they went power-tripping. The power-trip translated into HUGE legal fees for the importer and other interested parties (customers, potential customers and people who care about firearm rights). Of course, their side racked up a whackload, but that doesn't matter as it was on our dime - yours and mine, not theirs.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
They forgot that they work in public service and as such it's in their mandate to cooperate with law-abiding citizens.
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I think you're forgetting that a large percentage of that public that pays their public service wage are fearful & ignorant when it comes to guns. Of those that aren't, a good number see the gun as only a hunting tool, or for recreational target practice. The people who enjoy shooting semi-auto combloc guns are in the vast minority. So the RCMP have a fair amount of pressure on them to be restrictive. I'm not saying that its fair. It is what it is. If you don't like the laws, or the way they are enforced, you have the right to try to change things.
 
Dakk said:
I think you're forgetting that a large percentage of that public that pays their public service wage are fearful & ignorant when it comes to guns. Of those that aren't, a good number see the gun as only a hunting tool, or for recreational target practice. The people who enjoy shooting semi-auto combloc guns are in the vast minority. So the RCMP have a fair amount of pressure on them to be restrictive. I'm not saying that its fair. It is what it is. If you don't like the laws, or the way they are enforced, you have the right to try to change things.
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I agree that they have a fair amount of pressure from the antis, but that shouldn't translate into alienating the law-abiding public that they're actually dealing with on a daily basis, wasting that said public's hard-earned money and wasting tax dollars on selectively applying those laws on sporting implements that aren't any more "non-compliant" than what's already out there on the legal market.
 
dakk said:
i think you're forgetting that a large percentage of that public that pays their public service wage are fearful & ignorant when it comes to guns. Of those that aren't, a good number see the gun as only a hunting tool, or for recreational target practice. The people who enjoy shooting semi-auto combloc guns are in the vast minority. So the rcmp have a fair amount of pressure on them to be restrictive. I'm not saying that its fair. It is what it is. If you don't like the laws, or the way they are enforced, you have the right to try to change things.
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what a load of male bovine excrement.
 
Dakk said:
That's their job.

Btw... their 'selectiveness' doesn't always work against us. I used to assume that all pistols would be restricted or prohibited. But I know of at least two where they've opted to make them non-restricted. They very easily could have decided to keep them restricted.
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Step back from the meth pipe.


Incidently, I believe it was gunplumber who converted a Valmet into an AK clone
 
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Wasn't there something once about the RCMP saying a good gunsmith could turn an SKS into full auto with a popsicle in 15 minutes? LOL
 
I'm converting one of my .308 hunters into a M76 as we speak. I'm only missing a part or two as of now. If I can find a machine screw today it will be pretty much done.

It's all bolt on to make a Hunter into a M76 or Galil. The Valmet Hunter/M76 was the basis for the Galil.
 
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