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I am sure this has been asked before but I couldn't find the right combination of search terms to dig it out.

I have a close friend who has dual citizenship in US and Canada. He is able to buy guns stateside, but does not have a PAL here. He has offered to purchase a Garand from the CMP for me if I can figure out how to get it from his ownership to mine.

How do I make this work?
 
Straw purchase in the US from CMP is very frowned upon. If you go through with it, you would need someone like irunguns or Questar to import it for you legally.
 
Hitzy is likely telling you the most pain free method of getting one. There are ways for you to bring it in on your own but the paperwork can be brutal if you aren't familiar with it and includes bureaucracies on both sides of the border. Even then, you will have to go through a FFL dealer in the US.

Maybe someone in the US can clarify this but I am under the impression that the M1 Garands in the CMP are the same as those found here in Canada. Most are Danish reworks on US receivers. I don't know if the Italian makes are available there or not. Not sure whether any of the Korean rifles ever made it into the US in any other form than parts.

In the end, it will likely be cheaper just to find one in Canada
 
shootinironlen,

As bearhunter explained, the process is possible but by the time it's said and done, it may not be in your best interest... At least from a fiscal perspective. Your friend could theoretically purchase the rifle directly from the CMP and then legally sell it to you but this would require the services of an importer. The three which I am most familiar with are Prophet River, Irunguns and Questar. The process isn't overly difficult as these companies file the bulk of the paperwork for you but their services aren't free. The average import costs at least $350 but can be quite a bit more depending on the value of the firearm as the gov't expects their tax dollars at the boarder. Another important point is that the process can take several months to complete - so patience is crucial.

Here's a hypothetical breakdown for you:

Service Grade CMP M1 Garand = $730 USD + $25 shipping. That's near $950 CAD + $350 import = $1300 CAD after waiting 2 months for it to show up.

As the other gents pointed out, the CMP typically does not let you hand pick your rifle (when purchased online) so you could theoretically end up with anything. With this in mind, it may be best to save yourself the aggravation and simply watch the EE until you find something worth picking up. In fact, there's a decent looking rifle being sold as we speak for $1400 OBO. If he's willing to negotiate, that rifle could theoretically be had for less than the cost of importing one from the US.

The only time I've imported firearms from the US are when they're factory correct WWII collectibles that can't easily be found here in Canada. It's always expensive but if you're after something very specific sometimes you've got to bite the bullet... like the K98 guys.

If you have any questions about the process I'd be happy to explain all of the minor details to you - just send me a personal message and we can go through everything.

- Chris
 
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so would this be out of the question?

USA friend buys M1, comes to Canada to do some hunting, or attend a shooting competition with his new M1. While here he sells the rifle. Returns home without it.
 
john@ said:
so would this be out of the question?

USA friend buys M1, comes to Canada to do some hunting, or attend a shooting competition with his new M1. While here he sells the rifle. Returns home without it.
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Wishful thinking, but a foreigner coming here and selling a firearm without a PAL wouldn't end well. can14 is right, that would likely be pretty illegal.

- Chris
 
student of history said:
Wishful thinking, but a foreigner coming here and selling a firearm without a PAL wouldn't end well. can14 is right, that would likely be pretty illegal.

- Chris
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Yes, it would be a no no. It would be easier if your friend in the US had his Canadian Pal but even then certain channels probably need to be gone through. As far as the way you mentioned, anything could work until you get caught.
 
Be extra-double-mega-super careful with online ads. There are lot of scam there, normally you see Garands for $800-$1000 with seller registered same day the ad posted. Seller claims he is Vancouver or Toronto. I see those ads very often. Once I had a time to kill and decided to troll the bastard. I PMed him (the one "in Toronto") and said I could come by and look at the rifle, he said "I'm in North Bay, send me your money and I'll ship". I paused, he reminded in 2 days "Are you still interested?". "Yes" - I replied, "I have a friend in North Bay who's willing to help me, just give me your phone and address". Seller immediately lost interest :)
Best option would be EE as we have rating system or local dealers.
 
Horilka said:
Be extra-double-mega-super careful with online ads. There are lot of scam there, normally you see Garands for $800-$1000 with seller registered same day the ad posted. Seller claims he is Vancouver or Toronto. I see those ads very often. Once I had a time to kill and decided to troll the bastard. I PMed him (the one "in Toronto") and said I could come by and look at the rifle, he said "I'm in North Bay, send me your money and I'll ship". I paused, he reminded in 2 days "Are you still interested?". "Yes" - I replied, "I have a friend in North Bay who's willing to help me, just give me your phone and address". Seller immediately lost interest :)
Best option would be EE as we have rating system or local dealers.
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Thanks for the heads up.

They had one at my lgs in on consignment not long ago. P.M. me for store name if interested as is not a site sponsor.
 
U.S. hunters/shooters must take their firearms back with them or be charged, Stateside, with illegally exporting. If you've ever had any dealings with the Homeland Security types you'll know how seriously they take their jobs too. Good bunch for the most part, but don't mess with 'em.
Straw purchases in the U.S. from CMP is very frowned upon is putting it politely. The CMP requires buyers to sign an agreement that says they will not sell the thing within a specific time or lose their eligibility to buy from the CMP forever.
A PAL means nothing in this instance. Except that he cannot bring any firearm here.
 
Below is information regarding a non Canadian citizen who possess a pal selling a gun to a Canadian. However, it's a murky water kind of scenario.


Buying or Selling a Firearm in Canada

Firearms which have been temporarily imported, using a confirmed Non-Resident Firearms Declaration, must be taken back out of Canada. If the firearms are registered in Canada, they may be transferred (sold or given) to a properly licensed business or individual by calling 1-800-731-4000. During the transfer process that must take place whenever a firearm changes ownership, the firearm will be registered to the new owner. A CFO must approve all transfers of restricted firearms.

Duties and taxes may be payable on all firearms that are sold or given to someone in Canada. For more information, please contact the CBSA at 1-800-461-9999 (toll free within Canada) or (204) 983-3500 or (506) 636-5064 (long distance charges apply).

To be eligible to acquire a firearm in Canada, a PAL is necessary. The firearm will be registered to the new owner during the transfer process.
 
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