Cold Weather Effect on Ammunition

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On the range Saturday around 7c shooting a CZ MTR & Annie 1710 .

Usual practice ammo SK Standard Plus , more better Eley Team neither
of the two grouped any where near acceptable.

I followed threads on cold weather ammo how Biathlon works best
some effected more by temp.

Just came to the conclusion that it was me that was effected adversely
by the cold and went home.

...skwerl
 
skwerl, I just bought a 2nd pair of electric socks - $70 on amazon https://www.amazon.ca/Sporvet-Recha...efix=electric+socks,aps,95&sr=8-25&th=1&psc=1 - I bought a pair last Winter and wanted to have a back-up. Rechargeable batts lasted about 3-4 hours at max heating, so if I needed longer I've now got 2nd set of batts. Knocking on 74 with poor circ makes one more cautious. Also got rechargeable hand warmer for the trigger hand. OR I can put it in the can with ammo to keep 'em warmer.
 
Extreme cold can really affect .22RF ammunition.
I remember the trials for the Arctic Winter Games NWT team in Yellowknife. Metallic Silhouette. -45 the first day. Report was very soft, the bullets could be easily observed through the scope. Bores had to be brushed after every string to clear unburned powder, otherwise accuracy disappeared.
Misfiring was a problem unless rifles were properly prepared. My Burris 6X HBR was one of the few scopes that could be adjusted and whose adjustments tracked properly. The Leupolds were frozen solid.
The second day the temperature rose to -30, but the wind came up. 100m targets could not be seen in blowing snow, and at shorter distances, the silhouettes were being blown off the rails.
Challenging weekend.
 
Extreme cold can really affect .22RF ammunition.
I remember the trials for the Arctic Winter Games NWT team in Yellowknife. Metallic Silhouette. -45 the first day. Report was very soft, the bullets could be easily observed through the scope. Bores had to be brushed after every string to clear unburned powder, otherwise accuracy disappeared.
Misfiring was a problem unless rifles were properly prepared. My Burris 6X HBR was one of the few scopes that could be adjusted and whose adjustments tracked properly. The Leupolds were frozen solid.
The second day the temperature rose to -30, but the wind came up. 100m targets could not be seen in blowing snow, and at shorter distances, the silhouettes were being blown off the rails.
Challenging weekend.

Whoa , that's a story not many shooters have.
I'm a wimp.
 
As a preliminary observation about ammo performance in cooler temperatures, in my testing I have found that temps as low as 2- 3 degrees Celsius don't significantly affect .22LR match ammo performance. Such temperatures, however, don't do a thing to enhance shooter consistency. If anything they can make the shooter worse.
 
In addition to concepts about barrel temperature and powder temperature and burn rate.....

As temperature decreases, air density increases. Drag force on the bullet increases as air density increases (for a given velocity).

The greater the bullet's drag, the more it will drift in the wind as wind speed increases.

If it was a windy day, and especially if the wind was uneven and switching, the colder air temperature would make it very tough to make the wind calls and keep groups as small or scores high as normal.
 
Have experimented with Biathlon ammo from Eley.
There is merit when the temperature is near 0 C.
But the whole testing procedure starts over so is it really worth the trouble.
When not wanting to go the testing route luck of the draw is an alternative.
 
In addition to concepts about barrel temperature and powder temperature and burn rate.....

As temperature decreases, air density increases. Drag force on the bullet increases as air density increases (for a given velocity).

The greater the bullet's drag, the more it will drift in the wind as wind speed increases.

If it was a windy day, and especially if the wind was uneven and switching, the colder air temperature would make it very tough to make the wind calls and keep groups as small or scores high as normal.

As many shooters know, as distance increases, wind calling is increasingly difficult in warmer temperatures.

How much of a difference is there in wind drift between, say, 10 and 0 degrees Celsius? Or any other usual temperature difference -- e.g. between 20 and 0 degrees Celsius?
 
The EOSC milsurp match tries to get in a winter event. Fewer shots on score but many lessons to be learned. The cold effects the shooters and the rifles more than it seems to effect the ammunition.

I went to the interwebs to remind myself of the Canadian army's winter warfare manual. I found the 1968 US version instead. Just as good if not better for detail. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/FM-31-70-Basic-Cold-Weather-Manual.pdf Do a word search for 'ammunition' and you'll find plenty of comment how soldiers should be trained to use their equipment. One of the first search hits is a sentence that says cold does not effect ammunition significantly.
 
I def see a difference in bullet drop when It get closer to the minus.

I'm 1 month into our winter postal match, so be interesting to see the groups get as it gets colder.

But it's harder to judge, as you'll suffer more fogging of scope lens, or frozen fingers.
 
Frozen fingers, frozen body, cold ammo……..it all adds up to a less than desirable situation but I will still shoot all winter long. Not shooting isn’t an option.

My scores are definitely worse in the winter.

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As many shooters know, as distance increases, wind calling is increasingly difficult in warmer temperatures.

How much of a difference is there in wind drift between, say, 10 and 0 degrees Celsius? Or any other usual temperature difference -- e.g. between 20 and 0 degrees Celsius?

For sure wind calling is increasingly difficult with distance. I am not sure about the temperature assumptions for the dynamics.

From my recent readings (where I may have misunderstood things), drag increases as air density increases, and air density increases as it gets colder (at a given altitude).
However I am not a physicist, and so I stand to be corrected on everything ballistics-wise.

I am most interested in this topic for how my wind calls at 50m and 100m may be affected in the winter months. We have heated shooting houses at my local range and so we can shoot rimfire all winter long without freezing our fingers and bodies (for which I am most grateful!). My brain tries to calibrate on wind flags in matches for holds, but what if I have to change the calibration as the air temperature changes from -30C to +30C, which is the 60 degrees of air density changes I shoot in all year round? I don't know the answer. Some clues follow:

Wikipedia article: External Ballistics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics

It states: "Wind has a range of effects, the first being the effect of making the projectile deviate to the side (horizontal deflection). From a scientific perspective, the "wind pushing on the side of the projectile" is not what causes horizontal wind drift. What causes wind drift is drag. Drag makes the projectile turn into the wind, much like a weather vane, keeping the centre of air pressure on its nose. This causes the nose to be cocked (from your perspective) into the wind, the base is cocked (from your perspective) "downwind." So, (again from your perspective), the drag is pushing the projectile downwind in a nose to tail direction."

Wikipedia article: Density of air:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

This article has a handy chart showing how air density increases as the temperature decreases.

Wikipedia: Drag (physics): Drag equations is where everything comes together for understanding the wind forces on the bullet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics)

The drag equation is:
Fd = 1/2 pv^2 CDA

where:
Fd is the drag force,
p is the density of the fluid (in this case air),
v is the speed of the object relative to the fluid (^2 is the velocity squared)
A is the cross sectional area, and
Cd is the drag coefficient

As we see, as air density (p) increases, its will increase the force of drag on the bullet.

Since wind is acting on the drag force, I concluded (maybe incorrectly), that as the drag force increases as temperature decreases, then a given wind velocity would exert more drag force as air temperature decreases. Hence, shooting conditions in the wind are tougher the colder the air gets? (if I understand all of the above, which I may not).

However, for aircraft and missiles travelling at high altitudes and through a wide cross section of altitudes, ballistics gets very much more complex because air density decreases with increasing altitude, even though air temperature at high altitudes gets colder as altitude increases.

(Aside: Interestingly in my reading, contrary to my former belief, I found that at our normal shooting altitudes, increasing relative humidity decreases air density. Dry air is denser than humid air at a given temperature and altitude, and therefore drag increases as the air gets less humid).
 
Playing with a ballistics calculator can give you that answer. For this example, let's ignore whether or not temperature affects powder and primer burn. Here's a couple of examples punched into JBM that I just snagged from historical weather near here. I punched in Eley Tenex at 1085 fps with 10 mph crosswind. These are results at 100 yards with a 50-yard zero.

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Then below the two real-world local weather examples I've also punched in some unrealistic examples where I only changed the temperature. While the other parameters are also going to be different as the temp changes, looking at what happens when you only change the temperature can give you a basic idea of the type of thing that'll happen as the temperature drops. As you say, when the temperature drops the atmospheric density goes up, and the bullet drag along with it, and this results in more drift and more drop. Never looked at a list of examples like that before, but I have had to adjust my silhouette zeroes for turkeys and rams by up to ~1/2 MOA or more in the cold/hot extremes. Never had those NWT cold extremes here on Vancouver Island, though. Yikes! hehe.

As to whether or not the temperature affects powder or primer burn, I'm sure it does, but I don't know to what extent. I do know that in the summer months a lot of us would get by ok for silhouette with some cheap CCI Standard Velocity ammo. But once it starts cooling off that CCI lube starts getting pretty hard. I'm more inclined to blame the lube than the powder, but maybe it wasn't burning very well, either. The performance of that stuff when it starts getting cold just tanks and starts looking pretty ugly out there at 77 m and 100 m for turkeys and rams as the SD and ES goes crazy. I actually started bringing extra hand warmers just to keep the ammo warm. One day I even tested with a few of them jammed in between the scope tube and the top of the barrel over the chamber area to keep the chamber warm. With the barrel/chamber kept warm and the ammo kept warm the stuff shot as well as it did in the summer months with the SD and ES smartening up again, as much as the CCI could. haha. I could swear I had some CCI chrono data from that testing, but I can't find it now. I did lose ~50 strings of LabRadar data at one point, so maybe that stuff was among the ones I lost. The CCI isn't great ammo, but taking the summer months data as baseline it did perform a lot worse in the winter months, and it did look pretty much the same as the summer month data when the hand warmers were in place keeping everything warm. I do have a few strings/targets with both Eley Club and Eley Club Biathlon with my silhouette gun from August of this year, I think, that I can compare to once it starts getting below freezing here again. See whether or not the Biathlon stuff behaves more as the temp drops. I'll have to remember to do that once it's a bit snowy here.

I don't imagine the various ammo manufacturers are making biathlon ammo just for pure marketing reasons. There's surely some performance differences once you drop below freezing that they're trying to make up for. They're loaded a little bit hotter than the other stuff. And some of them use different powders and lube, too, which they say are more suited to those temps. I'd say the hotter loads are to help deal with the denser air. I don't know if that's necessary, really. But powders and lubes that behave better in the colder temps make sense to me.
 
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