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Thanks for writing in to Senators, I was hoping for people who have been spending time defending our sport to chime in.
I didn't start this thread to bash on any business, I was hoping for some clarification as to what the requirement is for purchasing a non-restricted firearm in person. From all the input received, it's pretty obvious the only requirement is to sight a PAL and perhaps call in to verify. Writing down any details of the purchase is not required by law currently.
I would like to give the business the benefit of the doubt that they did not know this, I was produced with a ledger that had a RCMP logo on the front page and repeatedly told it's a requirement of the RCMP to document every sale. The pages in it appeared to be full of individual documented sales, some of which were visible to me when I signed the ledger.
I am hoping the business in question will respond here publicly and immediately stop the practice of creating a unnecessary registry of non-restricted firearms that is not required by law currently, it would be a great gesture to the community they serve to abide by the laws which require them to visually sight a PAL and/or verify thru the RCMP database as described in a previous post.
Alternatively they could delete this thread and we will all know where they stand eventually.
Did you buy in Quebec, i just seen OP’s text about language barrier. I am pretty sure that after Cons ditched the LG registry, Quebec decided to keep their own version of it. Maybe that has changed by now, but perhaps if you bought in Quebec you are now in their provincial registry?
I was at Canadian Tire a month ago. Looking to buy pellets for the kids gun to keep them busy on the target range.
They wanted my drivers license in order to purchase just the pellets as it was "their store policy".
Went to CT next town over. In and out no hassle, no ID.
Def feel they don't need my personal info for something like that.
They wanted my drivers license in order to purchase just the pellets as it was "their store policy".
Went to CT next town over. In and out no hassle, no ID.
Def feel they don't need my personal info for something like that.
OP thanks for the info, I will not purchase from them unless they publicly announce they are not requiring additional documentation
I am guessing they keep a ledger, especially with online orders, CC and PAL info tied to the gun they sold you. Wonder if they will require additional info when C-71 comes into full effect. Who knows when they will be handing this info off.
Old thread.. but essentially this is a a case of a Canadian gun retailer bowing to the Liberals’ BS legislation before it’s actually implemented, and playing ball with the anti’s. Retailers who have been doing this for years should be ashamed of themselves. They are willingly grabbing the razor and saying “here, allow me to make the first few cuts”.
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Businesses are free to demand whatever information that they want ; and the consumer is free to walk away , and spend their hard earned cash at less intrusive businesses . As the old song says " these boots are make for walking " .
That doesn’t make any sense, they can’t track inventory just fine without record info your info like that.
The problem with this logic is that when they check the PAL, the cops can tell them if the shipping address you gave is the correct one.
I am looking to buy something on ####### and similarly first experience with someone asking I sign a bill of sale. Pal info and address given due to shipping a NR across province but I'm weary of using my signature versus a cursive print so my actual one can't get copied.
They only need a court order if the retailer refuses to surrender the information. If the new guy is behind the counter and someone asks to see the records? If an Rcmp walks into Canadian tire and asks the kid behind the gun counter to see the records. I very much doubt they will tell them to go get a court order.
There was a wave of fraudulent charges a year or two ago. Hundreds of thousands worth of product across different vendors, almost all optics. Some vendors adopted a policy of having a valid ID being provided along with PAL to mitigate that. I can understand it a bit, but in the same regard too, giving out more information than what's needed is a big turn off. Not to mention too the way that information is handled and stored. Some apps for restaraunts like Pizza Nova for example, don't encrypt your data and it's all stored in a plain text file somewhere on a server. I highly doubt there is any form of proper data handling, i'd be willing to bet there is probably a pretty big stack of jpegs floating around an inbox or garbage bin, just ripe for the taking.
Said he was emailing it and expecting me to sign and send back. Never heard anything like that before outside of a lawyers paperwork
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As a retailer there is nothing requiring me to know a buyers address. If they have a valid PAL we are good to go to sell to them. And no records are kept in a book. This is currently not required.
I saw those ads and had a little laugh to myself. What is he gonna do if you don’t send it back? If you do decide to, make sure you send it back via the most expensive shipping company (on his dime) if not I have a feeling it may have gotten lost in the mail! I would honestly just pass because people like that I wouldn’t want to deal with. What’s the reason for a signature?
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Never had this happen at ether of them …
