r34skyline
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If we want to be technical about the qd barrel thing. Aug has had it for 40 years now. So i dont see it being that groundbreaking to begin with.
Colt Canada Modular Railed Rifle
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If we want to be technical about the qd barrel thing. Aug has had it for 40 years now. So i dont see it being that groundbreaking to begin with.
bayonet lug on an IUR?
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It is an option.
And take away and perceived credit from yourself?? Why would anyone want to do that? Especially someone who previously made it a habit of cutting and pasting others work without attributing proper credit on facebook.
Heyoo...shots fired!
The heavy barrel isn't for durability. It's for sustained fire accuracy. So the person using the firearm doesn't experience POI changes as the barrel warms up. Fairly important for a patrol carbine which may be used for CQB or containment as a DM rifle. Most likely similar requirement for infantry riflemen.
The heavier monolithic handguard does offer more durability as it protects the barrel and gas block from damage. Plus free floated the barrel which again helps with accuracy.
This design isn't dead. RCMP ordered up a lot of the C8IUR rifles recently and continue to do say. The military over run also shows they have recently exported a large amount to a foreign military. The LMT mrp was just choosen to replace the AUG as a battle rifle for the New Zealand military. Both the UK and New Zealand also use the LMT MWS 308 in military service.
What is the major gripe about the Colt right now? You need special tools etc to change the barrel. The advantage with the LMT mrp barrel retention system is that worn out or damaged barrels can be replaced without having to send them back to an armory. Definite advantages for military. For a sport shooter if I want to swap barrels for my LMT rifles it's no problem. Two minutes and it's done. No sending to a store with the specialized equipment. Just buy the barrel which has the appropriate length gas system for each barrel length attached. All done.
Depending who wins the beta max vs VHS errr keymod vs mlok standard battle I do see this as the way to go as did LMT with their slick version a few years ago, KAC and now Colt Canada. I still feel it would be a bit too soon though to jump on the bandwagon for a government purchase. Until the standard is settled pic railed versions are a better long term investment. Once the winner is confirmed it will be a different story.
Regardless of which standard replaces the pic rail the monolithic platforms seem to have recently gained in popularity with police and military.
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Not really? C7s and M16s have pencil barrels that get thicker at the front sight post, because someone misread some gauges and thought that extensive bayonet use was warping barrels. Most militaries use rifles with pencil barrels (The G36, Tavor and ARX come to mind) because you have to shoot a LOT before you start seeing significant POI shift, and the weight savings really does make a difference. C8A3s only have HBARS because of a CANSOFCOM requirement - they apparently want to be able to use them in place of a C9.
Holding a 14.5" HBAR NEA and a 20" Colt SP1 side by side was like night and day. I am personally really excited for light weight Colt Canada rifles!
Ya. I like the option of 1 moa with my duty rifles. I'll take the heavier profile. Especially in this day and age of optics. The pencil barrels are all yours.
G36 and Tavor aren't known for their accuracy. G36 has been raked over the coals of late for brutal poi change due to melting polymer. With both in order to get C8IUR accuracy you need the heavier barrel.
I think settling for 1.5moa in exchange for significantly better handling is a fair trade, but to each his own!
It is difficult to get that degree of accuracy with the Tavor, but it's certainly possible! It has more to do with the AK-inspired action than the barrel, and that factory trigger takes a LOT of getting used to. Here, I used a 2MOA aimpoint and XM193 Nato Ball.
I got similar results out of my SP1 and Pencil barreled Norc using Iron Sights, but with much greater ease due to the inherent accuracy of the AR15 design. I'm hoping to try better quality ammo, to see if I can tighten it up more!
It seems to be the shooter, not the kit. As such, I'll take the lighter gun.
As for the melting G36...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/14/hk-vindicated-no-problems-found-with-g36/
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Like you said to each their own. Seems pretty much all special forces are going with the heavy barrel versions and the RCMP also opted for the IUR with the non pencil barrel. As all of the reasons I've listed seem to have been dismissed by you then there is only one other rational possibility. Maybe those guys just work out more?
My Tavor was showing some possibilities when I shot C77 ammo through it. Ran into some vertical stringing but it was showing some possibilities. It hated the IVI 77 grain stuff. American Eagle tactical 55 grain was only good for plinking or CQB type stuff.
Sorry but your G36 listed article showing 200 soldiers spoken to didn't exactly settle the concerns for me. I would call that far from conclusive. Whether there is a problem or not I don't know, but that really didn't settle the issue in my opinion.
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New pictures! right away I noticed the 300 blkout with integral suppressor
source: http ://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/colt-canada-lightens-rifle-weight-for-soldiers-and-police
I'm really digging the new CC koolaid.....looking forward to pricing....orbmaybe not, lol!
Bolivar
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To date, my understanding CC civilian offerings have been pretty much what they already offer to LEO & MIL customers. I've yet to see them say "We've listened to our relatively limited civilian customer base and developed rifle X to meet what these people have said that they want"
Civilian side innovation has guided the design of a lot of AR features and accessories. When MIL &Leo decide they want those features and accessories then they ask/demand them from manufacturers like CC. CC naturally obliges to the best of their ability.
Direct civilian comment has not influenced them as far as I can see....but I am just guessing and like I said before, I've given that up.
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Could be waiting a while.
Agreed. Just more time to save. I'd rather have the nest and best (and preferably 14.5") than the current IUR overrun. Plus there are other purchases I can make at the moment such as having th VCS system put on my 590A1.
These new MRR photos remind me of the photos showing a wall of IURs at last years SHOT Show... 5 or so different variations, barrel lengths, styles, etc. And.... we got 1 length and style. I feel this is simply another hype train, showing what they CAN do and then we will see what they WILL do which is make a ton to send to a contract, get the spares back and sell them to the commercial market a la IUR 2015.
r34skyline
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Do you have a <1 moa optic and are a 1 moa shooter off hand?
1.5 is the mil requirement for their dmrs and 2-4 is the usual requirement for patrol rifles.
The g36 issue is more political than technical. If you run it like a mg you will have poi shift. Thats why belt feds exist.
Some new Oper8t0r photos. I want that 20" DMR
source: http://calibremag.ca/more-colt-canada-mrr-photos-surface/
source: http://calibremag.ca/more-colt-canada-mrr-photos-surface/
