Colt National Match 1911 .38 special

BullOnParade

CGN Regular
Rating - 100%
92   0   0
Location
Eastern Ontario
A little over a year ago a member at my club was helping to liquidate an estate of his friend. I spotted on the list a .38 special slide for a 1911. Having never heard of such a beast, I assumed it was a misprint and what he had was a .38 super.

For a long time, I've dreamt of building a 1911 to round out my .22 and .45 for the purpose of a 2700 match (9 targets in rimfire, 9 targets in center fire of your choice and 9 targets in .45). A .38 super or .40 were what I thought were my only options. Looked around for some prices online and didn't get too far. These things are rare. But I did find Epps had a magazine for one in stock; serendipitous.

So I started doing some research and discovered Colt did infact make a .38 special National Match in response to the popularity of S&W's model 52. I contacted the gentleman selling the equipment, and it was indeed a .38 special gold cup slide and barrel, no magazine. I told him I would take the slide off his hands at the next match night, and went to Epps that weekend to buy the magazine.

Fast forward to today and I haven't done anything with this combination. I had thought of building a 1911 from an 80% frame, but it would seem those are no longer an option in Canada.

I thought I'd buy those prints that Dlask sold forever ago and try my hand at building from scratch. I work in a tool and die shop and have some access to CNC general machining equipment, but those are no longer for sale and Dlask never responded to my email.

Which I guess leaves me with buying a 1911 frame and investing in a gunsmith to do either blueprint the frame or match the slide for me?

What I'm looking for from the community is either any information or resources you may have on these unicorns, or just tell me how you would choose to go about completing this project.

And maybe if anyone has a set of those Dlask prints kicking around I could buy or borrow them from you?
 
Last edited:
Better carefully check what you have. The 38special national match was a straight blowback system, so the barrel has NO link pin - the lug has an elongated oval slot for the slide stop pin, and NO locking lugs. The slide likewise has no locking lugs. If assembled the barrel slides back and forth in a straight line. They were only made for a limited time, the chamber is fluted to aid operational delay, and brass does not live more than a few reload cycles. Those are all the oddities, I’ve never seen one separated from the frame, so I do not know if the unit will fit onto a regular frame. On the other hand, many gunsmiths south of the line built 38 Specials on 9mm or 38super pistols, if it looks like regular colt 1911 parts it may be one of those. Gil Hebard marketed a colt produced ‘kit’ in the early 1960s that did the same thing. Good luck.
Dr Jim
 
For what it's worth
- a NM 38spl slide will not fit on a NM 45acp frame of the same vintage... The slide grooves are not the same (taller on the 38spl).

Here's a top view of the frames, the 45acp on the left, 38spl on the right

yLJGLEr.jpg


Yes, the chamber is ribbed. But can't say I've seen a noticeable impact on the life of the brass.
Maybe it's just me, but for a reason or another the Colt doesn't like Dominion 38spl brass... while the exact same load worked great in the M52
- The Colt runs just fine with Federal/Winchester brass.

The Gil Hebard 38spl were manufactured by Clark Custom.
- Clark still sells barrels and magazine
 
As far as I know. The 38spl 1911 were National Match, not Gold Cup.

Sorry, corrected my post.

I'll get some pictures this weekend to show what I have. I remember discussing the project with the seller, he described the straight blowback action but the chamber of the barrel I have is not ribbed (for her pleasure), so maybe the slide is the only thing original Colt in this case.

Machining a 1911 to suit would be a crazy fun project to me, but I would need a lot more information or drawings for even a standard action before I tried to extrapolate this project.
 
Back
Top Bottom