a) condition one is defined as having the safety on
b) that doesn't make a 1911 drop safe
Colt Series 70 vs. 80
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a) condition one is defined as having the safety on
b) that doesn't make a 1911 drop safe
All this talk of 'conditions' made me think of this:
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All this talk of 'conditions' made me think of this:
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...lol...
Just some Sunday morning levity....
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Ha! That makes think of [URL="http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Faster#Ruger_Super_Redhawk_Alaskan"]"Faster"[/URL], which then the makes think of that beautiful Ruger Alaskan .454 that Dwayne had...
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Isn't that the point of the grip safety? IIRC even John Browning never saw the need for a grip safety when he designed the 1911, it was the US Army that wanted it, precisely because they thought that without it, if the pistol fell from a cavalryman's hand to the ground (when on horseback) it would fire.
I can't remember where I read that, although it may have been in an issue of the Book of the 1911......
To answer the original question, I'd go with the Series 70 because I'm a keep-it-simple-stupid kind of guy. AFAIK, the Series 80 firing-pin block was not put there on demand from engineers/designers, but from lawyers.......the fewer parts in a device, the less chance one of those parts will break or not function right when you REALLY need the damned thing!!!
Isn't that the point of the grip safety? IIRC even John Browning never saw the need for a grip safety when he designed the 1911, it was the US Army that wanted it, precisely because they thought that without it, if the pistol fell from a cavalryman's hand to the ground (when on horseback) it would fire.
I can't remember where I read that, although it may have been in an issue of the Book of the 1911......
To answer the original question, I'd go with the Series 70 because I'm a keep-it-simple-stupid kind of guy. AFAIK, the Series 80 firing-pin block was not put there on demand from engineers/designers, but from lawyers.......the fewer parts in a device, the less chance one of those parts will break or not function right when you REALLY need the damned thing!!!
No, the grip safety just prevents the trigger from being depressed. If you drop a series 70 the firing pin only has to overcome the firing pin spring to touch off a round. You can ameliorate this with extra-power firing pin springs and titanium firing pins, or prevent it with a firing pin safety.
Your readily available choices for a firing pin safety are the series 80, or the Schwartz, which is garbage.
I know. I was emphasizing that Condition One involves engaging the safety.
Are you referring to Condition One or Condition Three? Because both are drop safe.
In Condition One, because of the angle of the hammer relative to the descending firearm, it would be impossible for it to fire. Even if it broke through the manual safety and the grip safety, the force exerted on the hammer would be in the wrong direction to discharge the round.
Regarding the firing pin moving forward via momentum, if we are talking about a Series 70 dropped from waist height, it will not develop enough momentum to detonate the primer, no matter how weak the firing pin spring may be.
A Series 70 in Condition One cannot be made to fire merely by dropping it from waist height.
Condition Two, with the hammer resting on a loaded chamer, is a different story entirely, but we aren't talking about Condition Two.
I do not agree. It's just not common and requires a confluence of unusual circumstances.
Big thing for me is that as far as i understand the 91 series has a lowered ejection port that is supposedly needed for using reloads reliably. Could one not buy and install the $60 worth of parts to basically convert a 91 to a series 70? I know it removing a safety feature. But getting a new firing pin spring and titanium firing pin would pretty much make it drop proof anyways? I like everything about the 91 except for the extra safety.
Lowered ejection port has nothing to do with reliability. It's connected with the fact that the empty casings are often slightly deformed after being ejected from standard 70 series (and older) and as such are not good for reloading.
Actually the higher ejecton port can in theory prevents some debriefs from getting into action. In real life it doesn't really matter. Regards.
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