Colt trooper MK III

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Just picked this Colt Trooper MKIII up. Always wanted a Colt revolver and found it advertised locally at what I thought was a good price. Can't wait to take it to the range on Monday. Any insights or wisdom regarding these revolvers as well as a ball park value would be appreciated.
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They are nice guns, don't overload them, And don't slam the action closed, like you see in the movies, that goes for any revolver.
I have never really liked the grips, other than for display. A 100 rds or so of soft 38 is soft shooting
If you shoot a lot, they can get hard on the hand.
I have the same looking gun in the 357 model, 4", and it and the smiths are shoot more than the 9mm, and 45's, even my 22's take a back seat to 38 sp, if you hand load.
Value, what you paid for it, LOL, I would say 1000.oo +/-, I could see 1200-1500.oo for exc, with out holster wear.
 
Thanks for the information. It came with 100 rounds of .357 magnum which will set me up with some brass for future reloading.
 
The internals are sintered and (thinly) plated. Do not attempt any trigger job, etc. I think the process was the early days of MIM for guns, an attempt by Colt to lower costs.
A gunsmith who posted on an other Forum said they had a hell of a time finding matching parts when needed, out of boxfulls, as the process didn't produce close enough tolerances.
 
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I retired mine because it's in mint condition, didn't want to have any issues I couldn't fix. I love mine, very smooth.

Corey
 
I love the Colt MK III trooper! I paid $1200 for mine a couple years ago and was happy with that because of the condition of it. It's colts heaviest 357 mag barrel and frame and can take endless use. Shoot that thing lots! I've read that they shouldn't be dry fired. By the time I read that I dry fired mine 100's of times without any issues but I stopped that practice after the warnings.

I also did a very nice trigger job on mine and now it's one of my best shooters. I used emery cloth to get a nice polish on the parts and only light touches with a flat stone to break the edges. You have to make sure you don't over do it because if you polish though the case hardening the parts disintegrate with use. I have done countless trigger jobs on MIM parts in S&W's without any issues as well. Just keep the stone work to a minimum and you'll be rewarded with an even better revolver.

As for value, just about any Colt Revolver in excellent condition is going to be in the $1K and up range. Wear and tear will naturally bring that price down. Being a Colt there seems to be a collectors market for them. None of them last long on the EE when priced reasonably well.

Despite being in used shape there could still be significant demand for a revolver like that seeing as there's so few of them in Canada. I'd bet it would be sold in minutes if priced at $800. I'd list it at $1200 though... that's just me.

Oh edit. Check my started threads as I have a sweet set of custom grips for that revolver for sale!!
 
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Some good information on these guns here.....

http://www.coltfever.com/Mark_III.html

THE TROOPER MARK III
"J" FRAME





By the later 1960's Colt's revolvers were becoming too expensive and labor intensive to maintain profitability against competitors.

The old Colt designs required extensive labor by Master assemblers to build the complex hand fitted actions.

This was pricing Colt out of the market so they began designing an entirely new action unlike anything offered before by any gun maker.

This new design was to be a replacement for the old Colt medium frame revolvers. Just as Colt had offered everything from service type revolvers to target revolvers in the medium frame, this new design would offer new replacements for those models.

The new frame type would be named the Colt "J" frame, Mark III



The design was a totally new concept with nothing in common with the older Colt design.

Instead of the intricate old design using flat springs, the new models would use coil springs and a revolutionary "transfer bar" ignition and safety system to replace the old Colt rebounding hammer and safety block system.

In this new design a flat steel lever, or bar, would rise up between the frame mounted firing pin and the hammer when the trigger was pulled. When the hammer dropped, it struck the transfer bar which in turn struck the firing pin to transfer the force to the firing pin to ignite the cartridge.



This also acted as the safety system to prevent the revolver from firing unless the trigger was deliberately pulled.

In this new design, the hammer was made in such a way that it rests firmly against the frame when the action was at rest and could not physically touch the spring loaded firing pin in the frame at any time.

Since the hammer was made in such a way that it could not touch the firing pin, the gun could not fire unless the trigger was pulled to push the transfer bar upward between the firing pin and the hammer.

If a cocked gun were dropped, the transfer bar would be instantly snatched down and the firing pin couldn't be struck by the hammer.

If an un-cocked gun was dropped, the hammer was already resting against the frame and without the transfer bar in the upward position, the worst that could happen is that the hammer might break.

This new safety system was much simpler and even safer then the old Colt system, and was cheaper and easier to build since it required little hand fitting.

The new safety and ignition system so simple and revolutionary, virtually ever double action and most single action revolvers developed since has used a virtual copy of the Colt design.



While the new action was simpler and cheaper to build, Colt wanted to eliminate as much hand fitting as possible to further lower production costs.

To do that Colt decided to use a then new technology in the gun industry known as "sintered steel" manufacturing.

In this process powdered steel is injected into a mold and heated until the steel melts and fuses into a solid mass. When the mold is opened a nearly finished part is removed, needing only surface hardening and finishing.

Colt used sintered steel to make most of the internal parts of the new Mark III design, including the hammer and trigger, the cylinder locking bolt, and the hammer's double action strut.

In another industry first, Colt used stainless steel springs in the new design.



Since these parts could be produced very quickly and to a very tight tolerance, this allowed the new series to be assembled by less skilled assemblers.

The design of the new action was such that it was much less complicated than the old models and far less critical about the fit of parts,

To assemble one of these new revolvers, the assembler pulled a part from a bin and test fitted it. If the part didn't fit perfectly, he simply selected another part from the bin until one did fit. This drastically reduced the need for hand filing and stoning of parts by highly paid Master assemblers.

This made the Colt Mark III series the world's first "machine fitted" revolver.



Since these sintered steel parts were case hardened with a glass hard surface, this produced a very smooth, hard part that would wear well and give a very smooth operation.

Since the hardened surface is very thin, these new revolver could not have a traditional trigger or action job done in which internal parts are stoned and smoothed to make the action lighter or smoother. Because of the thin hardened surface any stoning or smoothing will break through the surface, exposing the softer metal inside. This ruins the parts since the exposed soft metal will wear quickly.

In this new design, any action or trigger work must be limited to installing a lighter spring kit.



MODELS

Since these new models would replace all old medium frame revolvers except the Python, Colt offered a wide range of versions.

The Mark III series was made from 1969 to 1983.



Trooper Mark III.

This was the premium model of the series. This was an adjustable sight, heavy shrouded barrel model fitted with Target grips, Target hammer, and Colt's first Target trigger.

Barrel lengths offered were 4 inches, 6 inches, and later in production, 8 inches.

Finishes were a new high gloss bright blue-black, bright nickel, and satin electroless nickel, also known as "Coltguard". This satin electroless nickel finish is often mistaken for stainless steel.

Calibers were .22LR, .22 Magnum, and .357 Magnum. A few Trooper Mark III's were special ordered by law enforcement in .38 Special.



Lawman.

The Lawman was a fixed sight Service type revolver.

It originally had a narrow, grooved Service type hammer and narrow grooved trigger. Later models used the same wide Target hammer as the Trooper Mark III.

Grips were originally narrow Service grips, but later production were often fitted with Target grips. Nickel and Coltguard finished guns came with Pachmayr "Signature" rubber grips with Colt medallions.

Barrel lengths were heavy 4 inch, and 2 inch. The early production 2 inch guns had the same exposed ejector rod as the 4 inch version, later production had a heavy, shrouded ejector rod barrel that made the gun look like a giant Detective Special. The 4 inch version retained the exposed ejector rod.

The 2 inch Lawman also had a rounded butt with special grips that were not used on any other Colt revolver.

Finishes were bright blue, bright nickel, and satin electroless nickel.

Caliber was .357 Magnum.

They had a long and successful run before being replaced by the upgraded MK V in '82-83



Also from the coltfever website concerning the MK V....."The major changes from the Mark III were:

Changed the sintered steel hammer and trigger to cast steel.

Changed the hammer and trigger to Colt's first short action. This gave a shorter hammer fall.

Changed the mainspring, the mainspring guide and location of the mainspring seat to a longer spring and longer guide. The new hammer and trigger, the new longer mainspring and the relocated mainspring seat were intended to improve the trigger pull.

Changed the full profile square butt frame to a new rounded profile grip frame.

Grips were changed to a full wrap-around design with a covered back strap."

Changed the barrel to include Python-like vents in the rib.
 
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