Combo gun are they as great as I imagine?

0faustus0 said:
I have a BRNO Combo gun in 30-06 and 12ga and which I like. The gun is pretty light in comparison to my 12ga pumps and semi-autos. Barrels are very thin and will heat up quickly .... but this is the gun you carry all day ... and maybe only fire 1 or 3 times that day ....


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Even the Springfield CZ M6 copy in 22 Hornet/410 suffers from this, cold barrel shot is just fine out to 80-100 yards with irons. But if you wish to shoot a group in normal sighting in fashion forget about it. In mine the subsequent shots impact lower and lower as barrel gets warmer.
But in reality it's quite small animal accurate out to 70 yards. And deer accurate to 100 your first shot.
So, it's not a big issue. These aren't range toys IMO.
 
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12g/6.5 Sw. With 120 gr. PPU it will group 1/2” at 100 m providing I wait after three for the pencil thin barrel to cool down . It’s quality bolt accuracy out of a break action .
 
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Brutus said:
Kimd of right up there with someone claiming they routinely knock down flying grouse with a single shot 410. I would myself have to see it to believe it. Lol
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No, the cheap ones won’t but the quality ones will. Heym, Sauer, Kreighoff, Rizzini, many makers of fine quality guns build combos and drillings that are more accurate than many off the rack bolt action hunting rifles. 3 or maybe 4 shot groups, these are hunting rifles, not bench guns. Most North American hunters know little about these guns. My Heym will consistently put 3 shots in 3/4 inches or less with RWS factory or several handloads with various weight bullets. After three shots that pencil thin barrel will start getting hot and start walking up about 2” per shot in a vertical line. Again, this is a hunting gun, if I can’t get the job done with 3-4 shots then I should take up a new hobby. For sight in and load development I let the barrel cool after 3 shots, walk to the target, then do it again. It is a pure hunting tool, light, accurate, deadly.
 
Ashcroft said:
No, the cheap ones won’t but the quality ones will. Heym, Sauer, Kreighoff, Rizzini, many makers of fine quality guns build combos and drillings that are more accurate than many off the rack bolt action hunting rifles. 3 or maybe 4 shot groups, these are hunting rifles, not bench guns. Most North American hunters know little about these guns. My Heym will consistently put 3 shots in 3/4 inches or less with RWS factory or several handloads with various weight bullets. After three shots that pencil thin barrel will start getting hot and start walking up about 2” per shot in a vertical line. Again, this is a hunting gun, if I can’t get the job done with 3-4 shots then I should take up a new hobby. For sight in and load development I let the barrel cool after 3 shots, walk to the target, then do it again. It is a pure hunting tool, light, accurate, deadly.
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Ashcroft. I was talking out of context regards another differing thread. With an off the shelf single shot shotgun.
Everything you mention here is several layers above this gentleman's chosen firearm.
My bad for confusing this issue.
I own an old timey hammer drilling Suhl & Son, so I know where you are coming from friend.
 
Ashcroft said:
No, the cheap ones won’t but the quality ones will. Heym, Sauer, Kreighoff, Rizzini, many makers of fine quality guns build combos and drillings that are more accurate than many off the rack bolt action hunting rifles.
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Over the years I got to play with some TsKIB SOO, Merkel and BRNO... the only time we got anything close to 1/2", it was a 1 shot-group playing with some subsonic load... with a undersize lead bullet... which didn't stabilize :p

But then again, I'm not that great a bench-rest shooter, and the rifles could have probably benefited from more scope. Most were sporting some sort of 4x or 1.5x5...

Anyway, considering that the owners hunted in wooded area and games were seldom seen more than 50M away... they were happy with the results.

Somewhere in my seemingly never-ending wish list, there's a Ferlach Drilling (16Gx16Gx22LR) :cool:
 
sillymike said:
Over the years I got to play with some TsKIB SOO, Merkel and BRNO... the only time we got anything close to 1/2", it was a 1 shot-group playing with some subsonic load... with a undersize lead bullet... which didn't stabilize :p

But then again, I'm not that great a bench-rest shooter, and the rifles could have probably benefited from more scope. Most were sporting some sort of 4x or 1.5x5...

Anyway, considering that the owners hunted in wooded area and games were seldom seen more than 50M away... they were happy with the results.

Somewhere in my seemingly never-ending wish list, there's a Ferlach Drilling (16Gx16Gx22LR) :cool:
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Sillymike, maybe you really want a vierling. Why settle for three when four is available? And believe me these guns are built with unrelenting precision to be the best, they aren’t cookie cutter machine made objects made as cheaply as possible. Fed the ammunition they are designed and built to use, their accuracy standard is equal to or better than any other hunting rifle, regardless of action type. And like many things in this world, as the price goes up, the quality goes up, the ability also goes up. Real top quality European over/under combos and drillings require a great deal of very skilled hand work, they are difficult and expensive to make and the amount of sophistication in the design and the care in manufacture is reflected in both the quality and the price, you largely get what you pay for. Naturally at a certain point, as very well heeled buyers look for more and more, the bling (engraving, higher quality wood, more expensive scope, etc) increases and the price goes astronomical.
In most European countries and across much of the world hunting is only available to the wealthy and/or connected. These guns are perceived by them as the very best for much of the hunting they do, they demand the best and these guns are the result. They might not fill the same niche in North America, Australia, New Zealand but they are still very practical for many, depending on the type of hunting they do. In terms of accuracy, reliability and capability they are up to any task, and like any firearm, the calibre/gauge weight, scope need to be appropriate, there are almost endless options. Moose? How about 9.3x74R for the rifle? Or for the guys hunting open clear cuts and right of ways maybe .300 Win Mag? Deer is your choice? Hard to beat the .243, 7x57R. For the shotgun? Choose your poison, all gauges work well on upland game. I’ve seen a German hunter shoot fast moving tennis ball sized targets offhand at 60 meters and then later in the day shoot 24/25 at 16 yard trap with the same gun. Might not be for everyone but certainly opens a few possibilities and good used ones are often available in Canada for very reasonable prices.
 
Ashcroft said:
Sillymike, maybe you really want a vierling. Why settle for three when four is available?
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It's all about $ (and priorities)... and there's nothing affordable when dealing with low-volume hand-built firearms.
- Last year I was looking at a shotgun barrel set for a MTs 106-17 combination gun. Even with boots on the ground in Russia, it was stupid expensive...

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On the upside, Tradeex, InterSurplus and the likes are offering more and more combination guns... at a very (to me at least) reasonable price.
 
I priced vierlings the other day. By far the least costly was $11,000 US dollars. But the other three I viewed online, lowest about $25,000. The others were more expensive. They are truly works of art indeed.
That's a bit beyond my budget.
 
Even a 2” group at 100m is plenty good for any games at that distance! Like other said they are not range gun but a good bush gun for small games and big games when going out for both… would my Brno ZH 304 be my first choice on my moose hunting trip? Nope but if I would go out looking for grouse in an area where moose could show up or looking for ptarmigan where caribou could be found I think it would be a great choice !
 
Thank you Sillymike!
The tuetonic designs of firearms have always had a big draw upon me. Prussian drilling 1890, 22 rimfire Mauser 1936, an FN Mauser converted to 458 American, an Austrian deer rifle 30-06 and a 22 LR Swiss Hammerli dedicated target pistol.
Funny I never got around to one of thier rather nice bolt action varmint rifles?
The force is strong here.......lol.
 
I have an older sector button on the side Stevens .22/.410 that is perfectly regulated which is more than I can say for the two 30-30/.20ga Savage 24's I've owned.The .410 barrel is over choked and makes a fine 30 yard Hun gun.
 
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