Coming Soon - Euro M14's from Marstar!

#1bcshooter said:
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I'm not telling him anything !
I'm asking if they will be going to the US !
But I don't put much stock in what is said here , Talk is cheap . I'll believe it when I see it . Or add it to the growing list of things announced coming soon that never seem to arrive . I am NOT talking about any particular dealer
as this thread is not in a dealer forum .
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Wow.

Stop and think about all of the roadblocks that already exist between the import of a comercially substantial quantity of M14's to the US. Now think about the roadblocks that existing US M1A manufacturers would try to add to that.

Tell me again why a Canadian importer/distributor would try that instead of returning to a market that has historically GOBBLED up his similar offerings?
 
John.... I have a few questions.....

1) Plans you sent were metric or Imperial ( pitch of threadings etc...) ?
2) They are chambered in .308 Win or in 7.62 NATO ?
3) Finish will be Manganese or Zinc Phosphate ?
4) Stocks are made of what kind of wood ?

Looking forward to those rifles.....

Thanks

Simon
 
johnone

I have been wanting an M14 for a long time and have been considering snagging an M305 from a local shop before they all sell out. I would really prefer something with a nicer fit and finish out of the box. I dont want to have to tweek this and tweek that to make it a good rifle. I say this because I see the norincos and ar15's on the EE and they all have this done or that done to make them better..... The price of a Springfeild is retarded, and norincos sound like they need a tonne of work. This would be my first rifle and I want to buy a good quality gun, I have 3 handguns and I think it is time for a long gun.

My questions are:
Are your Euro M14's going to need work like the Norinco's or are they going to be quality I can be happy with?

I have a dillion 550 and am willing to reload my own brass, and I take a certain amount of pleasure cleaning my own firearms, and have a wife to clean my "gun" for me, so you can keep the virgins. That being said, I will cover the cost of shipping, save you the cost of life time ammo, save you the transportation costs on the virgins..... you send me the new rifle and $500.00 and we can call it even?


Tor
 
Tormentor said:
johnone

I have been wanting an M14 for a long time and have been considering snagging an M305 from a local shop before they all sell out. I would really prefer something with a nicer fit and finish out of the box. I dont want to have to tweek this and tweek that to make it a good rifle. I say this because I see the norincos and ar15's on the EE and they all have this done or that done to make them better..... The price of a Springfeild is retarded, and norincos sound like they need a tonne of work. This would be my first rifle and I want to buy a good quality gun, I have 3 handguns and I think it is time for a long gun.

My questions are:
Are your Euro M14's going to need work like the Norinco's or are they going to be quality I can be happy with?

I have a dillion 550 and am willing to reload my own brass, and I take a certain amount of pleasure cleaning my own firearms, and have a wife to clean my "gun" for me, so you can keep the virgins. That being said, I will cover the cost of shipping, save you the cost of life time ammo, save you the transportation costs on the virgins..... you send me the new rifle and $500.00 and we can call it even?


Tor
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I have a 2009-polytech 305. Very nice and no issues at all.

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even springfields.... out of the box and at premium prices need the same "tweaks" as the norincos. True, u.s. quality control is arguably superior to that of our friends in china..... BUT as an M14 gunsmith and custom rifle builder, I have never even thought about owning a springfield.

figure this...... many guys are sending me thier 500 n change poly's and norincos (and yes a few springfields). For a little over 200.00 thier rifle is fully inspected, headspace verified, and misalignment or ill fitting parts corrected and basic match conditioning work is performed, including tig weld unitizing of the gas assembly.
So now, a guy has spent about 750 to 800.00 to have a rifle that is every bit as reliable as any springfield on the market, and then some. Your high priced springfield has NONE of this work done and still costs hundreds more.... for what??

It would be FANTASTIC to have new manufacture m14 type rifles from Italy..... many fine firearms come from the factories over there. I have no doubt any firearm they produce will be miles ahead of china when it comes to part dimensions and assembly Quality control.

I will be eagerly but patiently awaiting the announcement of these rifles being availlable.

My ONLY question for John is this:
Will there be full runs of spare parts availlable to be purchased? IF SO PLEASE CONTACT ME PRIVATELY.... please ;)
Sadly this is the BIG speedbump in the road for all of the chinese rifles out there. One either has to buy them and render them to spare parts to keep any inventory OR one must purchase usgi and aftermarket parts from a U.S. source, costing far more and enduring heavy import/export procedures.... if the parts can be brought in at all.

So..... the way i see it, there is no point bringing in any more of these rifles , regardless of manufacture, if there is no original, new manufacture, replacement parts to be purchased, IN CANADA , by gunsmiths or private owners. This issue must be addressed...... I'm sure most would agree
 
Tormentor said:
I would really prefer something with a nicer fit and finish out of the box. I dont want to have to tweek this and tweek that to make it a good rifle.

My questions are:
Are your Euro M14's going to need work like the Norinco's or are they going to be quality I can be happy with?

Tor
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Similar to what M14Doctor has said, the Norcs ARE good rifles out of the box. They are good copies of a 1950s battle rifle. If you check out the m14 faqs and the many threads you will see that the norcs new and old have good specs and are as good or better than the usgi m14s. What people do is simply tweaking this and that, some a little at a time, others go to M14Doctor for the full treatment in one shot, and it follows the guidelines of what was done to the original m14s by armourers and shooting teams.
Fit and finish I agree can improve, but I expect it will with European produced rifles. Check out the reviews of the 2009 polytechs, they finish is much better than before.
 
canadiangunuser said:
Fit and finish I agree can improve, but I expect it will with European produced rifles. Check out the reviews of the 2009 polytechs, they finish is much better than before.
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agreed, the polytechs are a step in the right direction... for sure. I have had many across my bench over the past month and a bit and have been pleasantly surprised to see the improvements in fit and finish. 3 rifles now have had headspace measurments within 2 thou of match 7.62 nato (1.635 +2 thou) and the triggers , outstanding..... and the rotational play and sloppyness of the gas assemblies non existant on most of the poly's i've inspected and worked on. Kudos to whomever motivated the chinese to get it right this time. Although i am disappointed.... no... annoyed, that they are still machining the rear sight base centerline WAY off center on miost of the rifles i've looked at...... Thus the need for readily availlable spare and replacement parts.... without them there will be no way to maintain or repair rifles with issues from manufacture or from general use and wear of parts.
Frankly i'd be happier to see new manufacture parts made readily availlable over more new rifles at this time. BUT I'll buy an italian m14 any day of the week :D
 
johnone said:
#1 BC SHOOTER;
I would like to thank you for your trust and support, after all Marstar has failed on all counts to the Canadian market.

John
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I am a fan of Marstar and have always been a supporter but come on, man, no need to get snarky here! There is enough squabbling between Canadian gun owners to go around...

I would never accuse Marstar of failing Canadians...I think Marstar have been very helpful in keeping the Canadian gun scene active and making affordable guns available, which I think is great for attracting new shooters.

But I don't think it's an unfair question, to ask if a large part of the rifles you've commissioned would be going south to another hungry market.

If I were to give an answer myself, I would have to say, "the US gun market is no doubt hungry for new M14s, but remember that a Springfield there is not priced out of the market for normal people. To sell new manufacture Euro-14s there at a profit puts the price in line with the US market, but not barn-burner pricing like Canadians see from Marstar. Don't worry, there will be lots for Canadians."

Now that is purely just me pulling info out of my hat, but I think a fair answer to #1's question is not totally unreasonable. There is no need to get TOO sarcastic.

On the other hand I have to admit that when doing EE deals, I only have enough patience for about 6-8 questions, then I start getting annoyed, and John probably hears 6-8 questions before he has his coffee every morning, so I don't blame him too much either for sounding a little testy.
 
BONGO BOB;
We have not decided as yet, we are down to three muzzle brakes at the moment....

Once we have determined final cost and effecientcy we will decide on the final product....

I can say this, the 18.5in rifle does perform better with a different type of brake rather than the standard M-14 version....

Time will tell,

The factory is sending over one next week for "field testing" we will fire a few thousand rds through it and see what happens....

John
 
SIMONNYZER;
1) Plans you sent were metric or Imperial ( pitch of threadings etc...) ? METRIC
2) They are chambered in .308 Win or in 7.62 NATO ? 7.62 NATO
3) Finish will be Manganese or Zinc Phosphate ? Our finish comes very closae to the original military parkerising.
4) Stocks are made of what kind of wood ? As mentioned before, European walnut
JOHN
 
M14 DOCTOR;
We will eventually offer a supply of parts, I would suggest you drop me an e mail john@marstar.ca

Let me know what you need, perhaps I can get yours run off sooner rather than later....

John
 
johnone said:
BONGO BOB;
We have not decided as yet, we are down to three muzzle brakes at the moment....

Once we have determined final cost and effecientcy we will decide on the final product....

I can say this, the 18.5in rifle does perform better with a different type of brake rather than the standard M-14 version....

Time will tell,

The factory is sending over one next week for "field testing" we will fire a few thousand rds through it and see what happens....

John
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Hey I could take a week off work if you need some help firing a few thousands rounds :D

I may be in the market for another M14, I was looking at a poly but I can wait
 
Hi John:
I'm waiting patiently and politely for one.
Would it be possible to have some photos of the factory from one of your visits? That would add a nice dimension to the project.
If not, well, it costs nothing to ask.
Thanks.
 
SLUG;
I did not think that pictures at the factory would be of interest....

Was there not long ago, I can do some photos when I return, not a problem.... Frank will be in that part of the world overseing the clean up of some warehouses in a few weeks, if he has time he can fly to the factory.

We will be introducing several new firearms made at this factory over the next several months....

Currently we are BUSY with a few other projects, a couple of which require a lot of detail work over the next few months....

John
 
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