Commercial "Off the Shelf" Rifles ??
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Dimitri said:Not too sure yet, wait till I have the money to spend and I make a snappy decision at that time but I'm starting to lean on the idea of a 300Win Mag as a Precision rifle and will get the 30-06 as a hunting rifle at a later date.
Thoughts ??
Dimitri
If you plan on competing than make sure that the caliber is allowed for the discipline you choose. I don't know much about it, but I can tell you that magnum calibers are not allowed at CFSAC or the NSCC sniper matches. It almost sounds to me like you should be checking out the 6.5 Swede, great hunting caliber and much flatter shooting than .30-06 for long range precision.
ETA: Check out the Tikka Varmint or Super Varmint, I've heard a lot of good things about these rifles and you can get them in pretty much any caliber you can think of, including .30-06.
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Since you're a trained machinist why not build your own on a bubba'd Mauser action. It would be a great learning experience for you, and these bubba's are cheap enough that you mess it up it's no big deal. In the end I'm sure you could build yourself a nice rifle for cheaper than a stock one. Plus this way you get exactly what you're looking for.
Leg,
If I started with a Mauser action I wouldn't get what I want, I don't like Controlled Round Feed actions.
Plus I'm not a trained machinist, just finished college, another 4 years to be "trained" in the eyes of most people with my journeymen papers.
Dimitri
If I started with a Mauser action I wouldn't get what I want, I don't like Controlled Round Feed actions.
Plus I'm not a trained machinist, just finished college, another 4 years to be "trained" in the eyes of most people with my journeymen papers.
Dimitri
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Well Control Round Feed action's aren't that "reliable" in the first place, there is a reason why Machine guns shooting 600+ rounds a minute use Push Feed Actions and they have less support on the cartridge case then a Push Feed Action.
And Push Feed actions like the M700 offer a few advantages:
Better case support.
Better gas handling
->Gas can't easily escape from the bolt must go through the barrel unlike a Controlled Round Feed Action
Can drop a round in front of the bolt and lock it close without breaking the extractor.
You can cycle the action upside down
-> Unlike Control Round Feed people claim it can be done.
Lack of that 3-Position Safety
In reality the reason I finally agreed with Push Feeds being better and made me a believer of the Push Feed rifles was someone who I consider a expert when it comes to firearms Gale McMillan (the guy who designed the M40A1-M40A5 for the US Marines & was involved in the development of the M24 rifles), he forgot a heck of alot more about firearms before his death then I'll ever learn.
Dimitri
And Push Feed actions like the M700 offer a few advantages:
Better case support.
Better gas handling
->Gas can't easily escape from the bolt must go through the barrel unlike a Controlled Round Feed Action
Can drop a round in front of the bolt and lock it close without breaking the extractor.
You can cycle the action upside down
-> Unlike Control Round Feed people claim it can be done.
Lack of that 3-Position Safety
In reality the reason I finally agreed with Push Feeds being better and made me a believer of the Push Feed rifles was someone who I consider a expert when it comes to firearms Gale McMillan (the guy who designed the M40A1-M40A5 for the US Marines & was involved in the development of the M24 rifles), he forgot a heck of alot more about firearms before his death then I'll ever learn.
Dimitri
I own both kinds. I appreciate them for what they are. To each it's own.
I wouldn't say Mausers don't have a good system to divert the gases escaping from a faling case. And that begining with M96/ 38.
I don't mind push feed for a medium caliber, but if I'll ever manage to set the money to buy a 375 H&H , you bet it will be a Controlled feed.....
For smaller calibers, I too preffer a push feed, for the ease of working the action.
I wouldn't say Mausers don't have a good system to divert the gases escaping from a faling case. And that begining with M96/ 38.
I don't mind push feed for a medium caliber, but if I'll ever manage to set the money to buy a 375 H&H , you bet it will be a Controlled feed.....
For smaller calibers, I too preffer a push feed, for the ease of working the action.
Off the shelf rifle
Dimitri
Everyone has an opinion, here's mine .....
I recently bought an LSI/Howa Varminter in .308. It has a 24" medium heavy barrel, 1x10" twist, Boyd Thumbhole stock with vented beavertail forearm.
It shoots ridiculously well of the bench with 150 gr and 168 gr BTHPs and Varget. So far I've only shot seriously with it out to 200m and plinked with it to 500m. Group size doubled when shot off a Harris bipod so it's off the rifle and I now shoot it sitting and prone, slung up as per military/target rifle.
Scope is a Bushnell 3200 3x9x40mm scavenged off a hunting rifle with Ballistic recticle and I see no reason to upgrade at this time.
I've had the recoil lug glass bedded and made sure the barrel is free floating. The factory trigger cannot have the creep adjusted out of it without some work. Most will do that or have an after market trigger installed. LSI is aware of the problem and refers you to a 'smith for warranty work if you live in the US. I had mine done by a friend following the advice from LSI.
It's the same action/trigger group used on the Weatherby Vanguard and Weatherby/Talley mounts with Torx screws fit well.
I put on a Blackhawk cheek pad as I found the comb too low to get a 'stock weld'. It could benefit from a Badger bolt handle knob as the stock one is on the small size.
Reviews of the rifle claim it to be an "undiscovered target rifle at a bargain basement price". I agree.
Todd
Dimitri
Everyone has an opinion, here's mine .....
I recently bought an LSI/Howa Varminter in .308. It has a 24" medium heavy barrel, 1x10" twist, Boyd Thumbhole stock with vented beavertail forearm.
It shoots ridiculously well of the bench with 150 gr and 168 gr BTHPs and Varget. So far I've only shot seriously with it out to 200m and plinked with it to 500m. Group size doubled when shot off a Harris bipod so it's off the rifle and I now shoot it sitting and prone, slung up as per military/target rifle.
Scope is a Bushnell 3200 3x9x40mm scavenged off a hunting rifle with Ballistic recticle and I see no reason to upgrade at this time.
I've had the recoil lug glass bedded and made sure the barrel is free floating. The factory trigger cannot have the creep adjusted out of it without some work. Most will do that or have an after market trigger installed. LSI is aware of the problem and refers you to a 'smith for warranty work if you live in the US. I had mine done by a friend following the advice from LSI.
It's the same action/trigger group used on the Weatherby Vanguard and Weatherby/Talley mounts with Torx screws fit well.
I put on a Blackhawk cheek pad as I found the comb too low to get a 'stock weld'. It could benefit from a Badger bolt handle knob as the stock one is on the small size.
Reviews of the rifle claim it to be an "undiscovered target rifle at a bargain basement price". I agree.
Todd
I don't normally post here as it's outside of my firearm experiences .
But I recently bought a Savage 112bvss in 300WM , installed Leopold mounts and rings and a Nikko 4-12x56 scope . The price was right and I like the feel of it .
Last night I sighted it in , after a few it grouped three at an inch ( at 100 yards ) . This is with off the shelf ammo , I didn't custom load anything , I didn't try different brands and I didn't adjust the trigger or anything else on the gun .
And this is with me shooting .lol
I'm intrested to see how this rifle works when I find the best ( or dabble in reloading ) ammo , adjust the trigger and figure out how to do my part right .
After taxes I still haven't broke a grand .
Hope this helps
But I recently bought a Savage 112bvss in 300WM , installed Leopold mounts and rings and a Nikko 4-12x56 scope . The price was right and I like the feel of it .
Last night I sighted it in , after a few it grouped three at an inch ( at 100 yards ) . This is with off the shelf ammo , I didn't custom load anything , I didn't try different brands and I didn't adjust the trigger or anything else on the gun .
And this is with me shooting .lol
I'm intrested to see how this rifle works when I find the best ( or dabble in reloading ) ammo , adjust the trigger and figure out how to do my part right .
After taxes I still haven't broke a grand .
Hope this helps
